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  • My vet says horse not pregnant but i think she is
  • Vet mistakes with in foal mares

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    02-02-2012, 10:26 PM
  #21
Yearling
Lets not start on my 70+ page. Lmao. XD Yes, yes my vet missed the bugger twice, that is sure proof that mistakes do happen.. sometimes more then others. So I can go either ways with this thread. I've been in the situation "is my mare pregnant" and everything. That time, it was a false pregnancy which I will get into more. Then I had a "Pregnant mare?" sort of thing. Where.. we knew there was a chance and the vet missed twice. Onward to the point. XD

Well, like someone said, the only way you will know 100% is ask a vet or get a Weefoal test. (Personally, I learned my lesson.) If you choose a vet, I recommend an Equine specialist, someone who works around them the whole day, not a mixed vet. WeeFoal is very inexpensive way to test. You have two choices. 30-120 day test, then 120-300 day test. If the chance is she is further then 300 days, you don't have long to wait.

Now, on for my opinion. It looks to be a baby bump, but I have proof that mares can be decieving on that part as well. I have a pregnant mare, (Lena) and a non-pregnant mare (Ladybug). Within the last year someone could ask if they both were pregnant. Not because of hay belly. Ladybug is desperate to be pregnant, so she has a real bad case of false pregnancy. Now, in false pregnancy mares can go as far as laying down in false labor. My mare, even after a year of being diagnoised for this and treated for hormone balancing produces more milk then my actual pregnant mare.

So, if you have a haunch that she is pregnant, think wisely about getting a vet out. Although most mares foal successfully, and I get the whole "what did they do in the wild?" thing. Even so, you want to be on the safe side if you love you're mare.


With that, I've ranted and such and got all the do-dads out of the way. Keep us updated on what you find.
     
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    02-03-2012, 12:06 AM
  #22
Green Broke
My vet missed a pregnancy the first time around (the mare was about 2 1/2 months along) and he only re-checked later at my insistence (because I was riding her a lot and she was gaining weight).

Second time he checked he got a big grin and said "I'm sure glad we re-checked your mare."

If you hold your hand at the bottom of the belly kind of in front of the udder you can feel them kick now and then if there's a foal in there. My mare's foal kicked A LOT. If I remember correctly, when they are small you see movement on the mare's side. But when they are big you can feel them at the bottom of the belly.

He didn't always kick. Sometimes he was still. But other times it looked like he was bouncing on a trampoline in there.

Beautiful mare by the way!
     
    02-03-2012, 05:36 PM
  #23
Yearling
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Originally Posted by trailhorserider    
My vet missed a pregnancy the first time around (the mare was about 2 1/2 months along) and he only re-checked later at my insistence (because I was riding her a lot and she was gaining weight).

Second time he checked he got a big grin and said "I'm sure glad we re-checked your mare."

If you hold your hand at the bottom of the belly kind of in front of the udder you can feel them kick now and then if there's a foal in there. My mare's foal kicked A LOT. If I remember correctly, when they are small you see movement on the mare's side. But when they are big you can feel them at the bottom of the belly.

He didn't always kick. Sometimes he was still. But other times it looked like he was bouncing on a trampoline in there.

Beautiful mare by the way!

Actually I think it is the other way around. You feel movement by the udder earlier and later along the sides and near the flank. Also, the bigger they get the harder it is for them to move around so they will slow down near the end of the pregnancy. Also, depending on the foal and mare, you might never see movement. Some don't start kicking around that we can see until the 9th month, some can be as early as the 6th month. Foal kicking isn't always a good sign by the way, there is a phantom pregnancy that will look to have kicking and everything.

Yes, it is possible for a vet to miss. Mine missed a foal.. well hard to tell when she was bred, but it had to be at least 16 days old but was told could have been anywhere to a month. Then missed again at 4 months.
     
    02-03-2012, 07:09 PM
  #24
Foal
Thanks for all the advice again everyone! Wont be able to get a vet out until next week so I'm just keeping a close eye on her until then but I did take a few more pictures today. Her belly is very round but it seems to be more round down rather than out if that makes sense. She's much less round out to the sides than a lot of pregnant mares I've seen. Her udder also looks to be normal to me although I have to admit I haven't ever really closely inspected a mares udder before. Anyways here are some more pics! she's suuuuuper fluffy this winter as well so it makes it a little harder to judge her shape and stuff.
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    02-03-2012, 07:14 PM
  #25
Started
With the udder pictures, I lean towards less likely to be pregnant. She would be about ready to foal if she was bred before leaving the huge herd. Did the person you bought her from own any studs?
     
    02-03-2012, 07:59 PM
  #26
Yearling
I agree with Sunny the pictures of the udders doesn't look like mare ready to foal any time soon, I think it's a combination of better feeding and winter fluff. She is a nice looking mare.
     
    02-03-2012, 09:46 PM
  #27
Yearling
Same as Sunny and Cmarie. With those pictures that are a lot better then the other I am almost positive she isn't pregnant. At at least 7 months along she'd be getting close to having a belly bump. She probably has a hay belly. Definitely leaning more toward "not pregnant" now.
     
    02-14-2012, 04:46 PM
  #28
Foal
Ok so I have an update finally. The vet was out and did a palp on her and said she is not pregnant. So we all breathed a sigh of relief and stopped worrying about it.
However, I went out today and just for the heck of it decided to make sure there was no change in her udders or anything like that. Well her udders appear pretty much the same, but her belly is definitely NOT the same as before. She feels really wonky if that makes sense with hard parts sort of sticking out of her belly on either side that I can feel but can't quite seem to figure out what they are, oh and they seem to move. In fact there is a HUGE amount of movement concentrated around her flank area, it definitely feels like she's got a little creature wiggling around in their but how could a vet miss that? All he did was a palp, he did not feel her belly for movement (she was sedated so I'm assuming he wouldn't have felt much movement anyways) nor did he check for a heartbeat but he said conclusively that she wasn't pregnant. But at at the very least going on 8 months (and that's if she was bred right before I got her) along it seems extremely unlikely that the vet missed the foal. So now I'm torn again because I know how unlikely it is that that vet missed an almost fully grown foal but all that movement and wonkiness in her belly is making me wonder.
On a side note, she was diagnosed with possible mild COPD which would increase her muscle movement in that area. The movement today seemed like a lot more than any usual movement I've seen in her belly but I don't have a lot of experience with that sort of thing.
So I've attached (I hope) a video of the movement from today so hopefully somebody can let me know if they think it's just her muscles from slight COPD, her breathing, gas, ect, or if she really is hiding an extremely elusive little critter in there. belly 091.MOV - YouTube
     
    02-14-2012, 04:54 PM
  #29
Trained
Is she coughing, wheezing? Listen close to her nose, can you put your ear to her chest and hear fluids? She may have heaves and need some meds before it gets worse. Or that may be a foal in her belly. Can you shoot a vid of her nose and hear her breathing? I've had a horse with COPD and you don't want to mess around with that. You'll have to change up her hay environment etc...
     
    02-14-2012, 04:54 PM
  #30
Started
Interesting video... Maybe consider getting an ultrasound. My mom had her 7 month pregnant mare ultrasounded yesterday. With the ultrasound, the vet couldn't see the foal, it was dropped and out of view, but they did have a nice look at the placenta. It will cost more, but should give you peace of mind so you sleep easier (or sleep less in a couple months)
     

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