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post #1 of 46 Old 04-16-2013, 04:23 AM Thread Starter
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16hh Ardennes mare x 15.2hh Grulla paint QH Stallion

We have chosen the stallion to put to our 16hh 11 year old Ardennes mare. She has had 2 foals previously, one to a friesian stallion and one to a welsh sec D. She did not have these foals with us but I have photos of the friesian cross.

The stallion we have chosen is Kiowas Mr Speckles. He is a 15.2 paint QH stallion with a base colour of grulla. He is guaranteed to throw a coloured foal from any mare.

Below are pics of our mare, the stallion and also her friesian foal and a few of Speckles offspring.

Our Mare Sienne van de Sonneschiede (Moomin)


Moomins Friesian x foal Violet

Some of Speckles' foals

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post #2 of 46 Old 04-16-2013, 05:18 AM
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all the horses look so beautiful.

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post #3 of 46 Old 04-16-2013, 05:49 AM
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what are you hoping to do with this foal?? what sort of horse are you trying to get?

Sorry but I realy dont get it any reason other than colour to be breeding this mare?

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moomin is already used for hacking. We love her build and we love coloured horses. We want something a little finer and think whatever would come out of her will be beautiful.
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post #5 of 46 Old 04-16-2013, 06:55 AM
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Sorry but The stallion is nothing special at all and If he were mine he would be loosing his crown jewels.

The UK horse market is flooded, Breeding is very dangerous (I have friends who own studs and they unfortunatly lose mares, normaly in horrific circumstances and it is rare for the foal to survive if the mare dies). Colour is a poor reason to breed a mare.

A good way to breed a mare is to decide on what type you want, so in your case lighter weight, what you want the horse to do (presumably hack out), analyse her conformation, weaknesses strengths etc. Choose a stallion that compliments her, has strengths where her weakness are etc.
For the foal to stay sound and have a potential future you should be aiming to improve on your mares conformation
If you desperatly want a coloured horse then there are plenty of far far better homozygous coloured stallions to choose from. I am happy to point you in thier direction if you want.
It is far far cheaper to buy a foal already on the floor, far less potential for heartbreak as well.

Draft crosses and QH's are realy not that popular in the UK, and if god forbid anything happen to you then you need to concider the foals future, which with that cross is likely to be straight onto a meat wagon.

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First of all we are not just breeding for colour. Both our mare and the stallion have amazing placid natures, and are extremely healthy well bred horses. I would never breed to a stallion purely for colour.
I know it is cheaper to buy a foal but the whole point is that we want a foal out of Moomin because of the horse that she is. As for saying that drafts x qh aren't that popular in the UK…there aren't many QH in the uk let alone crosses. I don't think it's due to people not liking them they just aren't easy to find here. It is irrelevant anyway as we have absolutely no intention of selling the foal.
Saying that the stallion is nothing special at all from one photo is incredible. We have gone to meet him and he's amazing.
I have read your profile (faye) and it seems you have been blocked and reported alot for being offensive in threads.

At the end of the day we are breeding 2 great horses and we have had the intelligence to actually think about the foal they will produce. They will make a good weight and height horse for what we do, we don't compete or show, we are pleasure riders. We have considered using other stallions and are very happy with the one we have found.
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post #7 of 46 Old 04-16-2013, 07:54 AM
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I've not judged him on one photo, I googled him and went to his stud page. He is camped under behind, goose rumped, upright in his shoulder and back at the knee. Non of which make for a horse that will be comfortable to ride.

It is of course your perogative to breed your mare however there are plenty of mediocre horses out there needing homes. There is no need to breed anouther.

I have also looked at your profile and previous thread and you seem novicey to me so it would be remiss of me not to point out the dangers of breeding foals. (you must have read the warning before posting this!)
I was blocked by one member who took passive agressive swipes at anything not a draft horse and couldnt face being told her information was incorrect (and it wasnt just me telling her either)

Breeding is not an exact science, you put a heavy horse to a light horse and you may not get something in between, you may get something as light as the QH or as heavy as the draft. You can put a 14hh pony to a 15hh horse and get a 17hh monsster of a horse (seen it before). What happens if it tops out at 13hh (also seen that before) or ends up with legs like a show pony? what happens to the foal if god forbid you have an accident in a car and are unable to care for them or something goes wrong financially, it can happen to the best of people so when breeding you should ALWAYS concider the future prospects of the horse should something happen to you.

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I'm with Faye here on this one. This is an extremely odd pairing and does come across as color breeding at it's finest. The stallion and mare don't complement each other. You have just as good of a chance of ending up with a frakenfoal as you do of getting anything that is decent. Not a risk I would be willing to take.
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What a cute picture:

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post #10 of 46 Old 04-16-2013, 09:52 AM
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Ya I dont get it. I actually like their other paint stallion more, the bay. But your horse
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