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    04-16-2013, 01:30 PM
  #21
Yearling
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Originally Posted by NdAppy    
Busy - the OP is across the pond in the UK and I don't believe that there are as many APHA or AQHA type studs available there like there is in the US.
Gotcha, missed that part.

But what about other breeds more available in that area? QH/APHA tend to be chunky monkeys especially when bred to larger boned breeds. Even the smaller ones, have the chunky monkey background somewhere. (Psst, I love me my chunky monkey, lol).

I know of 2 drafts that were bred to QH's, everyone had pretty good conformation (who's perfect right?). Both babies were cute, good conformation, great personality, etc. BUT they ended being SHORT chunkers, with the draft movements.

So OP, what are your thoughts about breeding to a stud that is actually supposed to be finer boned (arab, TB, morgan, etc, etc)?
     
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    04-16-2013, 01:42 PM
  #22
Weanling
What an interesting looking mare!
     
    04-16-2013, 01:43 PM
  #23
Green Broke
The mare is very nice, seems to be well built, and if she is all you say she is ability-wise and personality-wise, then she would be a good candidate as a broody if you are willing to accept the very real risks. BUT that stallion has no business being a stallion, and the people standing him at stud should be ashamed, as it is very very obvious that they are marketing him purely for his color aspect and not taking his poor conformation into account AT ALL. If you are going for a lighter foal, he will likely not give it to you, as he is not exactly light himself. Quarter horses aren't known for being fine-boned. Surely you can find a more suitable stud with better conformation. Color should be the final criteria after you've nailed all the important things down.
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    04-16-2013, 01:44 PM
  #24
Trained
I LOVE the mare, she is all kinds of cute, good solid, reliable looking, how does she ride? Is she comfortable at all of her paces? I had a big draft cross mare here who was just rocking chair smooth in every gait, so loved riding her.

As to breeding her, well as everyone else says, think long and hard about it, I totally 100% understand wanting to have a little bit of your mare, just remember you are risking her life in that pursuit. Maybe it's just me, I had a small registered breeding herd here, but it was when I was waiting for my heart mare to foal, I decided to quit. The worry that I had over that mare and the thought of losing her made me seriously question breeding anything.

I went out and bought a daughter of hers that was already on the ground, so now I have 2 of her daughters, one bred and one purchased and I love them both, neither of them are like their mother, I don't feel like they are a bit of her, they are individuals in their own right.

Will I breed again, maybe, I wont rule it in or out, but when and if I do it will be breeding like with like. I have yet another mare, who is to fine, I would love to have her, only heavier, and for a millisecond thought about crossing her with a heavier stud, LOL then I remembered the worry and the cost and the risk and decided against it. The odds of winning that particular lottery are slim, so no way that one is happening.

You say the foal will stay with you for ever, sorry you can't promise that.

You want a lighter foal, can't promise that, as other have said you could get frankenhorse.

IF you are dead set on breeding her, then think about what you really want as an end result, and think about marketability, and then choose a stud for all the right reasons.

Good luck.
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    04-16-2013, 01:50 PM
  #25
Foal
Ok so... we have looked at lots of other stallions, we were looking for a stallion that would give us a foal that was lighter than moomin (our mare) but still cobby. We would not put her to a thoroughbred as personally we don't much like the breed. Hadn't really considered an arab as they are a bit too fine and there aren't many morgans about in the uk.
We are not doing this to get a show horse. There may be stallions out there with more perfect conformation but in our opinion both horses have good conf and moomin in particular is very well bred for her breed. She was imported from belgium as a youngster. To be honest you never know what you are going to get and there are always going to be what ifs. In spite of their colouring both horses have amazing temperaments and characters. Neither has a nasty bone in their body. Between myself and my partner we ride horses from 13hh upwards me being 5ft 2 and him being 6ft and lightly built.
We don't want to breed for the sake of breeding, we wouldn't go through the risk of pregnancy if we didn't really want a foal from our mare. We have no intention of selling the foal regardless of size or colour. We would never rely on relatives or friends to take on a horse. As for saying what if we have a car accident, by that logic no one should own any animal.
I wasn't trying to initiate a heated debate lol, just wanted to share some pics and interested to hear what people think.
     
    04-16-2013, 02:07 PM
  #26
Started
Something I would suggest you look at is what this stallion has produced with mares like yours. What kinds of work are the sire's offspring good at? What kind of dispositions do his foals have? With no idea of what they look like you are in a blindfolded gamble of what the cross of very different breeds could produce. The best breeding is like to like, type to type and building on conformation faults of sire and dam. When cross breeding, it is a great unknown of what you will end up with unless it is done very carefully by experienced breeders. You could have dumb luck and get what you want in body build and mind.
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    04-16-2013, 02:12 PM
  #27
Trained
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Originally Posted by emmasacha    
I wasn't trying to initiate a heated debate lol, just wanted to share some pics and interested to hear what people think.
Wrong section of wrong forum to avoid a heated debate I'm afraid, it is always a passionate subject.

While I am not at all sure that a TB or an Arab would cross well on her, there are good reasons to consider it, they are used a lot to lighten heavier breeds for a reason, the odds of a good outcome are better than with other breeds.

A good strong TB hunter chaser type would be my first place to look for her.
     
    04-16-2013, 02:18 PM
  #28
Yearling
Really stupid question, but is AI a possibility?? Like if you found one not in the UK, that would be a good match. I would think semen could be shipped.

Just a random thought.
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    04-16-2013, 02:21 PM
  #29
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Originally Posted by Golden Horse    
Wrong section of wrong forum to avoid a heated debate I'm afraid, it is always a passionate subject.

While I am not at all sure that a TB or an Arab would cross well on her, there are good reasons to consider it, they are used a lot to lighten heavier breeds for a reason, the odds of a good outcome are better than with other breeds.

A good strong TB hunter chaser type would be my first place to look for her.
I was just tossing out the finer boned breeds that I could think of off the top of my head. Thinking about it now, an arab probably wouldn't be the best looking, lol.

Hmmm, wheels are turning now.....
     
    04-16-2013, 02:26 PM
  #30
Weanling
... but I do have to say, though I'm not an expert by any means, the stallion is not one that I would look twice at except for his nice colour. I REALLY like her Fresian cross foal... but am curious to see how this baby turns out. I can't talk because I'm also going to be breeding mare/stallion combination this spring that some people on here got upset about (she is a grade), but OP - just consider all options and remember that there is some VERY good advice on here. This forum helped me choose a stallion for my mare... again, she IS grade and that upset some people, but I did learn from the discussions and feel I made one of the best choices I could :)
     

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