Thanks! I have a gold champagne mare that carries silver, and I don't know if you know this, but for some bizarre reason, Silvers tend to be AA - which is anathema to someone trying to get Black Silver (the creme de la creme!).
My kingdom for some aa mares! - love your tag line too, as it happens!
I have a mare who is EE AA. I also have mares who are not. Could care less what color a horse is. What I care about is the size of check they can bring home at the end of the day.
If we were to eliminate all other components that go into breeding like personality, confo, performance, etc., and look solely at colour, in my opinion, no, double agouti would not be worth more. Colour experts can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe all the agouti modifier does is restrict black pigmentation to points, such as legs, ears, etc. with the most common result being Bay. I'm pretty sure all that AA means is that resulting foal will for sure express agouti in some way, but since it is so common, I don't think it would be worth anything more, just on its own.
How strange that it was answered 6 years later. Hopefully that person got what they were looking for, or else they have been waiting a heck of a long time!
I too am a breeder and no one cares what color the horse is. First question is normally what has the dam done. How much earnings does she have as most of the time they know the stallion. Color does not affect how a horse will perform so buyers do not care much. Only time you will see someone who might be interested is if the horse is double reg. That give them AQHA and APHA to show in but most of the time they do not even care there as that is more of an area for practice then actually showing.
My stallion is AA EE, I like that he won't throw sorrel, but I don't like that he is limted to very few colors.
While color does help make a people look at a horse I always know if I had a real nice sorrel and a not so nice buckskin my sorrel would sell first into a performance home.
Well spoken. In this market.. it would serve people well not to be so Black and White. What sells is what drives the market. You CAN have both color AND performance.
I, personally-- love the diversity of colors.. to have both color and conformation.. is just icing on the cake.
Take a look at what is standing at stud and what is winning in NRHA and NRCHA. You will see just about every color there is out there winning. It is all about the winning. If they did not win or sire winners no one would give them a second look. Look at Custom Chrome. No real color there. Yet he is one of the top sires. Same with Smart Spook. Then you can go the other direction and get a Gunner. Thing is regardless of which sire you pick you better have the mare line to back it up.
If it was so easy to have both do you not think that all you would see at the top of the leader board is horses with a lot of the popular colors? Or the high seller at the high end auctions have a lot of color? Thing is you do not. While some of the top sires on the NRHA leader list are horses of color the vast majority are not.
IF and only IF you have everything else in place and you can consistently turn out horses that have great conformation, and are fit for the purpose they have been bred for, only then should you be concerned about the color.
Funny the high selling horse at the NRHA Futurity prospect sale this year was a sorrel. Sold for $150K for a 2yo in training. Next high seller was also a sorrel. Funny. When it came right down to it what the sire and dam had done was more impotent then what color the horse is.
I have yet to see a quality Toby and very very very few double dilutes. I can think if 2 that I would even consider.
I would only consider the colored one if it was the same price. I would not give you more b/c of the color. Not worth it. At the end of the day it will bring no more in.
I have yet to see a quality Toby and very very very few double dilutes. I can think if 2 that I would even consider.
I would only consider the colored one if it was the same price. I would not give you more b/c of the color. Not worth it. At the end of the day it will bring no more in.
I don't think you can honestly say you havent seen a quality Tobiano... maybe not in reining, but certainly in other events
You're in a sport where color absolutely doesn't make a difference, but in some it does. What if you were into pleasure paints? It would be a big disappointment to get a solid/BS foal. They are worth pennies. Or if you were breeding Apps its really a bummer when you have a non-characteristic foal. The stallion I bred to last year is one of the top all-arounders out there. My foal from him was solid, non-characteristic- the first he's had since the owners have owned him go figure! I had a waiting list of people wanting that foal if it had color. I had to practicaly give it away simply because it didn't qualify for the REGISTRY.
So yeah, within a discipline like yours color absolutely doesn't matter but by golly in other venues it does.
(and some just the opposite- hunters do NOT want color)
The problem is not the fact that these horses are worthless or that people would not take them and have good horses. The problem is with the registries. If APHA would do what AQHA did and allow the solids to show right along beside the rest their value would be the same. APHA changed their one parent rule this year and not crop outs are not allowed in. Why? B/C they need the quality of the crop outs.
The problem is not with the horses or their color but the registries. Change them and you will see how things change. That is why in reining color does not matter. They are all allowed to show.
The problem is not the fact that these horses are worthless or that people would not take them and have good horses. The problem is with the registries. If APHA would do what AQHA did and allow the solids to show right along beside the rest their value would be the same. APHA changed their one parent rule this year and not crop outs are not allowed in. Why? B/C they need the quality of the crop outs.
The problem is not with the horses or their color but the registries. Change them and you will see how things change. That is why in reining color does not matter. They are all allowed to show.
Simple solution is change the registries. AQHA did it so the crop outs could be registered. Now APHA is letting the crop outs back in. Now they just need to expand to the Solids. If members pushed hard enough it would happen.
Simple solution is change the registries. AQHA did it so the crop outs could be registered. Now APHA is letting the crop outs back in. Now they just need to expand to the Solids. If members pushed hard enough it would happen.
That was part of the reasoning behind the one paint parent rule too yet that is now gone.
The fact is if APHA offered more classes for solids or let them into performance classes it would improve the registries as a whole. By changing the name of the solids from breeding stock paint they are trying to drive them out. The fact is that they are cutting their nose off to spite their face. If they allowed these horses in to show prove them out and use them at the end of the day it would improve everything. Yet is just easier to toss out the baby with the bath water then fish the kid out.
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