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post #31 of 45 Old 02-05-2013, 11:19 PM
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All I see is a bunch of bays. Not much color in the horses on that site.

As the end of the day I could care less what color my prospects are. What I want is a horse that can win. When people look at my prospects that is all they care about. Rarely have any one even ask what color they are. They always ask about the dam.

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post #32 of 45 Old 02-05-2013, 11:21 PM
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All I see is a bunch of bays. Not much color in the horses on that site.

As the end of the day I could care less what color my prospects are. What I want is a horse that can win. When people look at my prospects that is all they care about. Rarely have any one even ask what color they are. They always ask about the dam.
The Dam is a very important consideration. I don't have people ask about color either. They care about the horse.

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post #33 of 45 Old 02-06-2013, 06:37 PM
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All I see is a bunch of bays. Not much color in the horses on that site.

As the end of the day I could care less what color my prospects are. What I want is a horse that can win. When people look at my prospects that is all they care about. Rarely have any one even ask what color they are. They always ask about the dam.
I think she brought up White Stone because hes black and a huge majority of the blacks in Arabians are bred just to be black and do not excel in sport.

However, he's also a CA carrier so that needs to be taken into consideration while breeding.

You know me, and you know I like color. If I had to choose between a foal from your mare that was marked like your wild marked colt or a solid bay, I'd pick the colt. I know the quality is there so I'm going to go with what I personaly am attracted to.
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post #34 of 45 Old 02-06-2013, 06:42 PM
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I think she brought up White Stone because hes black and a huge majority of the blacks in Arabians are bred just to be black and do not excel in sport.

However, he's also a CA carrier so that needs to be taken into consideration while breeding.

You know me, and you know I like color. If I had to choose between a foal from your mare that was marked like your wild marked colt or a solid bay, I'd pick the colt. I know the quality is there so I'm going to go with what I personaly am attracted to.
Exactly so. I personally don't care what color a horse is as long as it's quality. If it happens to "have" color, it's just icing on the cake.

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Exactly so. I personally don't care what color a horse is as long as it's quality. If it happens to "have" color, it's just icing on the cake.

Hey Rumonek!! Where've ya been??
I've pretty much just been on HGS because when I've bounced back and fourth theres the same threads! lol

Not a whole lot has changed since I was on here. Got a new mare (PB Arab) by race winner and nationaly titled polish import *Edukt and out of multi nationaly titled mare Evalina V (by Huckleberry Bey). Also have a Gypsy Vanner foal coming in May :)

Good point to hit actually- the foal I bought in-utero is from two well accomplished horses. Sire is a multi champion and in the top of the breed- highest ranked stallion in the state as well. Dam is, to my knowledge, the highest ranked mare in the state. Neither is homozygous black or pinto, but went with this cross because of the awesome show and production record rather than with one of the guarenteed colored foals from less accomplished parents.
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You know me, and you know I like color. If I had to choose between a foal from your mare that was marked like your wild marked colt or a solid bay, I'd pick the colt. I know the quality is there so I'm going to go with what I personaly am attracted to.
Thing is you know that cross what not done b/c of the chance of getting that color and will NEVER be done again regardless of color. Fact is the bay filly out of that mare is a better horse. Although she has a lot of chrome too. Will see how this Rooster colt grows up. Right now he looks like the gangly yearling he is.

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Thing is you know that cross what not done b/c of the chance of getting that color and will NEVER be done again regardless of color. Fact is the bay filly out of that mare is a better horse. Although she has a lot of chrome too. Will see how this Rooster colt grows up. Right now he looks like the gangly yearling he is.
Well, you know what I mean! lol
If I had two Melody foals in front of me that showed the same amount of promise- one colored and one not, I'd chose the colored one 100% of the time.

I think that's what a lot of people don't understand. You CAN like color AND quality together. Theres no reason in this day and age that you cant have both. It use to be it was hard to find quality homozygous tobis or double dilutes and thats not the case anymore.
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I have yet to see a quality Toby and very very very few double dilutes. I can think if 2 that I would even consider.

I would only consider the colored one if it was the same price. I would not give you more b/c of the color. Not worth it. At the end of the day it will bring no more in.

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I have yet to see a quality Toby and very very very few double dilutes. I can think if 2 that I would even consider.

I would only consider the colored one if it was the same price. I would not give you more b/c of the color. Not worth it. At the end of the day it will bring no more in.
I don't think you can honestly say you havent seen a quality Tobiano... maybe not in reining, but certainly in other events ;)

You're in a sport where color absolutely doesn't make a difference, but in some it does. What if you were into pleasure paints? It would be a big disappointment to get a solid/BS foal. They are worth pennies. Or if you were breeding Apps its really a bummer when you have a non-characteristic foal. The stallion I bred to last year is one of the top all-arounders out there. My foal from him was solid, non-characteristic- the first he's had since the owners have owned him go figure! I had a waiting list of people wanting that foal if it had color. I had to practicaly give it away simply because it didn't qualify for the REGISTRY.

So yeah, within a discipline like yours color absolutely doesn't matter but by golly in other venues it does.

(and some just the opposite- hunters do NOT want color)
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The problem is not the fact that these horses are worthless or that people would not take them and have good horses. The problem is with the registries. If APHA would do what AQHA did and allow the solids to show right along beside the rest their value would be the same. APHA changed their one parent rule this year and not crop outs are not allowed in. Why? B/C they need the quality of the crop outs.

The problem is not with the horses or their color but the registries. Change them and you will see how things change. That is why in reining color does not matter. They are all allowed to show.
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