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post #11 of 37 Old 07-20-2007, 12:29 AM
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this may seem a very blase' statement, but how i it 'cruel' to breed from a young horse?

now before everyone gets their hackles up, all I am suggesting is that my definition of cruel is a mistreatment of the animal, I do not feel that breeding a horse, eventhough it may be young in our eyes, is a mistreatment.

As for the 14yr old having a child, I agree with the above comment of 'how is this disgusting' either you may have led a very sheltered life or are just a little narrow minded. Sure there are a lot of accidents that have occured in these cases but I'm pretty sure that none of them were disgusting, especially as in all cases they were bringing a new life into the world!!

I apologise now if I have offended anyone, please excuse me but pregnancy hormones cause me to fire-up sometimes, usually I'm quite placid!

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post #12 of 37 Old 07-20-2007, 02:49 PM Thread Starter
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Becuase it tears up there body. Breeding a 2 and 3 year old mare is not right. I say wait till they are at least 4 or 5. Becuase 4 is where they turn to adults. I mean people take these poor mares who don't have any choice at all and they tie up there legs and hobbles and a twich, it's just like rape!
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post #13 of 37 Old 07-20-2007, 02:52 PM Thread Starter
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Oh and also a 14 year old girl having a child IS discusting. It's so awful what these people are doing! I mean come on do you have to do that so soon? There is no shame in anything anymore if a 12 year old girl gets pregnant it's OK. Come on! It's terrible and the blame is on THEM.
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post #14 of 37 Old 07-20-2007, 03:37 PM
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b/c fillys continue to grow intil 7 they are just starting to provide themselves proper nutrition w/o being supplemted. the mare is not physically or emotionally ready to tend to a foal. and yes i think it is very cruel and very irresponsible to breed a mare under the age of at least 5. but hey thats just me.

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post #15 of 37 Old 07-20-2007, 04:09 PM
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I'm not sure that breeding a filly of 3 is going to be tearing anything up inside, unless of course there's a problem that's already existing. As has been mentioned, wild horses breed that early all the time, and we don't see a lot of dead fillies out there due to early foaling.

The biggest concern that most people have is lack of nutrition, but I'm not even sure that's a valid reason. Poor nutrition can happen to any horse, whether or not they're in a breeding program. If you're breeding a young horse, you just need to take into account that you're not only feeding for two, but you need to bump your nutrient levels up to accomodate the bred mare so that her growth needs are met.

I don't breed horses here, but I do raise sheep. It's very common for breeders to breed their ewe lambs prior to their first birthday. Some folks get all horrified over it, and it certainly requires better management skills, but it seldom ends in death or sickly ewes. You're more likely to loose older ewes than young ones.

As for a fourteen year old, I don't think anyone here is suggesting that this is what we wish to have happening. However, a healthy body is capable of handling the situation (just like the three year old horse.)
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post #16 of 37 Old 07-20-2007, 05:12 PM
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If you want to put health reasons aside for a moment, consider this. How many mares are finished with their training at age 2? 3? 4? 5? Training is a stressful process as is carrying a foal and caring for a foal. I don't think that it is healthy to combine those two stresses. Training can be stalled/negatively affected and/or the foal can be lost. Also, studies in other animals have shown side effects in offspring where the mother has been subjected to stress.

If a mare is intended for the sole purpose of being a broodmare, I have heard of many people breeding at age 3. I don't think that is entirely unreasonable - that is her intended job. Who is to say that is more cruel than putting a horse on a pack line, asking them to strain their legs barrel racing, or any other thing humans ask horses to do.

If a mare is intended to be a riding horse, I would say common sense would suggest that she should not be bred until her training is complete. I have followed similar guidelines for my stallion. He is five this year, and we just now bred him to our mare because I was comfortable with his training level (still far to go to refine skills in various disciplines, but very strong foundation). I am not opening him to stud until next year, and even then I am limiting it. Why? Because his primary purpose is as a riding horse, secondary purpose is as a breeding horse. Horses have many years they can breed; if you are not a full on breeder, what is the rush?

We have a mare that we bought last year at age 7. She had been bred by a previous owner at age two. She is beautiful, gentle, kind, and healthy. She knows all of the basics of riding, and has some foundation in cutting, but I think her skills are a little unrefined for a now eight year old mare. Did breeding at two change her in any way? I don't know - I would not choose to do that - but I don't know

As for teenage humans getting pregnant - it is very sad - they are loosing their own youth and carefree years. Why? Are they to blame? I don't think that is necessarily 100% the case. They of course must take responsibility for their actions, but what about the parents, schools, society that keeps them so uninformed that they may not really understand the full consequences of their actions. I am not a parent, but parents out there - would you prefer to keep your children in the dark about contreceptive the birds and bees because you don't condone it at their age based on you religion or other morals OR would you prefer your child is educated and prepared enough that you feel confident that they can make a smart decision on their own. I know that many kids will find a way to do what their hormones and often peers are driving them to do regardless of how hard their parents try to protect them.

I wouldn't say disgusting, I agree that life is a wonderful thing, but I think many teenagers would have had made better parents if they were allowed to finish of their youth and learn better the ways of the world and what is important to them, etc.
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post #17 of 37 Old 07-20-2007, 08:17 PM Thread Starter
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I am NEVER breeding my mare. She has never had a foal and never will. I don't want to add to the horse population problem.
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post #18 of 37 Old 07-20-2007, 11:26 PM
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I would never breed a mare before age 4, sometimes 5 depending on the mare. at age 3 they are still growing and a baby will just take from the nutrition the mare still needs. People do it every day and their horses are okay but I wouldn't.
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post #19 of 37 Old 07-22-2007, 09:42 PM
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I wouldn't breed a mare until she is fully grown and her body is able to handle the stresses of carrying a foal. This varies between breeds and individual horses. I in general though do not condone the breeding of young "unproven" horses, personally I would like to know wether or not the horse is worth breeding first.

As the care providers of domestic horses we should breed only the best to try and cut down numbers of unwanted, neglected,abused and slaughtered horses.

I personally am in a predicament about weither or not to breed a mare as she has just pulled a high hind suspensory and will be off for 6 months to a year. Lovely mare 6 years old approved and branded oldenburg blood stock, wonderful movement, nice bold jump, bit long in the back. I was leaning towards breeding her while she recovered but then it occured to me carrying a foal might hinder healing. Anyone been in this situation?
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post #20 of 37 Old 07-30-2007, 04:00 AM
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Well, I guess you can count me in as being cruel. I am a breeder and yes I DO breed at 3! I will say that I take into consideration the physical and emotional maturity level of the individual horse before they are bred, but yes, I do breed some at 3. (I have 2 pregnant right now that are 3, turning 4.) As long as their nutrition levels are kept up, there is nothing wrong with it. But as a breeder I know that ALL broodmares need better nutrition.

I find it interesting that it is those who are NOT breeders are the first to throw stones. (and no, I don't consider you a breeder if you have only bred your personal riding mare.) Those who are truly knowledgeable about breeding and horses in general will stay away from the statements that start with "it is always......" or "you should never......"

Horses in the wild can and do get bred as young as 1 year. Is that my recommendation? No. Does it happen? Yes. Do I think you are wrong if you want to wait to breed your mare? Nope, it's your mare, do what you want.

I agree you should only breed the best and not breed junk. The horse overpopulation is a problem. But breeding at 3 or 5 doesn't make a difference. It's still one more horse.
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