AI headaches... (a bit of a rant)
 
 

       The Horse Forum > Horse Breeds, Breeding, and Genetics > Horse Breeding

AI headaches... (a bit of a rant)

This is a discussion on AI headaches... (a bit of a rant) within the Horse Breeding forums, part of the Horse Breeds, Breeding, and Genetics category
  • What would sucromate do to a human
  • Headaches in horses

 
LinkBack Thread Tools
    07-01-2011, 08:51 PM
  #1
Weanling
AI headaches... (a bit of a rant)

Okay so I remember another thread where people were commenting that they thought AI was great.

Can you tell me why? I am having nothing but a headache. This is my first personal mare to AI. So first is the travelling to the vets 45min away three times to get to the point when she is ready. Then its the call to the stallion owner and finding out that I have another $200 bill for collection that I didn't expect. I got my facts mixed up with looking at other contracts having the first collection included in stud price. Plus the shipping fees. Now after the initial breeding I find my mare did not catch so another round to the vet, another $200 plus shipping fees and add on a $100 fee for getting the stallion to the place of collection and I am well on my way to paying double the stud fee. So where is the plus side in AI?

My other mares it was a simple drive to stallion owner, drop off for a week, pick up, everybody bred and me happy with paying the day rate for their stay plus stud fee.

The only way I can see this not being costly is if I had a shed of mares breeding to the same stallion at the same time. Unfortunatly, most sporthorse/ warmblood stallions seem to be mainly AI only.
     
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
    07-01-2011, 09:10 PM
  #2
Showing
Advantages:
- Greater stallion seletion; you`re not limited to stallions within a reasonable driving distance
- Some stallion owners only offer AI (due to showing schedules and the following two reasons)
- No risk of injury to both mare and stallion
- No risk (I believe - someone please confirm or deny) of STIs
     
    07-01-2011, 10:16 PM
  #3
Trained
Heck only $200? Want to switch?

For me since I do all my own AI work I do not have all the vet cost. However if I did it still would be less expensive. The stallions I am breeding too are in OK Tx area so shipping 2 mares and one foal there and then back would cost A LOT more then what I have into shipped semen costs and AI cost. Not to mention that the resulting foal will be worth a lot more then what one would be if I was limited to stallions with in driving distance.
     
    07-01-2011, 11:12 PM
  #4
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
Heck only $200? Want to switch?

For me since I do all my own AI work I do not have all the vet cost. However if I did it still would be less expensive. The stallions I am breeding too are in OK Tx area so shipping 2 mares and one foal there and then back would cost A LOT more then what I have into shipped semen costs and AI cost. Not to mention that the resulting foal will be worth a lot more then what one would be if I was limited to stallions with in driving distance.
Have you ever used Shining Spark or any of his offspring he is my dream stallion I was wanting to cross A Shiner Named Sioux with my filly at some point in the future Wonder how they cross with Rooster/ Peptoboonsmal horses

     
    07-01-2011, 11:23 PM
  #5
Trained
I am not a big shinning spark fan for reiners. They tend to be too large and just not the best reiners. They are however nice reined cow horses and tend to make nice rope horse b/c of their side. They do well in all the events but not great at any one event.
     
    07-01-2011, 11:35 PM
  #6
Trained
Question for you NRHA, is it true that giving mares I guess it's called hormone shots to make them ovulate increases the chances of the mare catching during AI? Sorry I know little about this, but most folks in this area only do AI now and are telling me it's easy to settle a mare with AI because of these new "fertility" meds?
     
    07-02-2011, 12:01 AM
  #7
Trained
Yes it can help however you really need to know the size of the follicle or it will not work. It will also come down to how good the semen is and so on. There is a lot that goes into it.
     
    07-02-2011, 12:16 AM
  #8
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by waresbear    
Question for you NRHA, is it true that giving mares I guess it's called hormone shots to make them ovulate increases the chances of the mare catching during AI?
It helps in that it increases your chance that the mare will ovulate at the optimum time. But there are caveats involved. If you are using hCG (human chorionic gonadatropin) the follicle must be at least 35 mm and there must be uterine edema. If you are using Deslorelin (now Sucromate) it is effective on follicles as small as 30 mm but again, there needs to be uterine edema.

Quote:
Sorry I know little about this, but most folks in this area only do AI now and are telling me it's easy to settle a mare with AI because of these new "fertility" meds?
The hormones only accelerate the time to ovulation. If the mare is subfertile herself, has a poor biopsy score, pools fluid, has an infection, etc., no amount of hormones are going to help. Additionally, if the stallion has horrible semen, isn't managed properly, etc., again your chances of success will decrease.

OP, AI can be easy and effective, but it does require attention to detail from all parties involved. You also must consider that the overall success rate with live cover is about 65%. You increase your chances of success by about 10% using AI. And, as others have noted, it opens your opportunities to breed to a much larger variety of stallions. Very few top quality stallions, except within the TB industry, even do live cover these days. It's just not worth the risk of injury to the horses or the humans involved in the task.

Good luck!

Kathy St.Martin
Avalon Equine
Welcome to Avalon Equine ~ Quality Performance Sport Horses

And

Equine-Reproduction.com, LLC
Equine Reproduction
     
    07-02-2011, 10:37 AM
  #9
Weanling
I knew I'd get some defenders of the AI with this rant.

First.. I agree with the greater stallion selection, its the reason I chose the stallion I'm breeding too. He also had great conception rate (or so I was told). Also he only offered AI or I might have considered the drive (about 6hrs).

Actually anytime you insert something into the mare there is a risk of injury. I've heard of tears and such occuring during exams. True not often and maybe it was due to a poor vet, but I don't think you can say that AI is 100% safe. I'm sure there have been accidents with stallions also, especially during the training phase, but I really don't know much about this part.

Stallions and mares have been breeding for centuries without our help. I think a lot of the breeding problems are caused by too much interference on our part. My two mares were bred by a stallion handled by one person. She breeds all her mares this way and has few issues, none of them major. My mares are all taught excellent ground manners. Of course it helps that she understands horses well and can spot possible issues before they occur.

I believe it minimizes infection but again with humans involved you are going to still have the risk. I feel another big risk is breeding mares that shouldn't of been bred in the first place. Mares who for some reason would not of concieved if bred naturally. I would not be surprised if this doesn't lead to a line of mares that could only be bred artificially. Or worse, end up like the bulldog who can only be inseminated and has to have a c-section to deliver.
Then there is the question of all the hormones and drugs being used, especially true in the TB racing industry. This of course has to do with the January 1st birthday, but that's a different rant.

Quote:
Heck only $200? Want to switch?
Sorry but this actually falls into my rant of it being cost prohibitive. If, like yourself, I could do it myself, maybe it wouldn't be so bad. Right now, if she catches this next time I believe I will have paid the cost of the stud fee again. If she doesn't, the cost is going to get ridiculous.

I am not saying AI should never being used or that I will never use it again (like I said, most warmblood/ sporthorses are AI only) but I think becoming dependant on it will, in the long run, cause bigger problems down the road.
     
    07-02-2011, 10:59 AM
  #10
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
I am not a big shinning spark fan for reiners. They tend to be too large and just not the best reiners. They are however nice reined cow horses and tend to make nice rope horse b/c of their side. They do well in all the events but not great at any one event.

You know my filly has a good mixture of cutting horses and the reining influene comes from Rooster I bet she'd be good at Reined cow horse events because I see both traits in her naturally. Are there any events in the midwest I looked at their website seems like its a Calif. Based operation.
     

Quick Reply
Please help keep the Horse Forum enjoyable by reporting rude posts.
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.


Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Barn Drama.....rant rant rant Cinnys Whinny Horse Talk 11 06-04-2010 03:57 AM



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:33 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0