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post #1 of 11 Old 02-21-2010, 01:42 PM Thread Starter
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I really want to breed my mare either this or next spring. But Im getting fed-up with all the horses having sucky conformation or being to far away. So does anyone know any horses in or very close to Indiana. They have to be registered Arabian and I would prefer egyptian but Im not being to picky at this point. Just that they have to have good conformation, be live cover, and be cheap or willing to do payments. This is the mare I am breeding to (She is on the my horses page as Barakat Jsamine) (Also I know I have a bunch of studs and mares for sale and it says dispresing completly but its because im selling for a friend) (and my stud isnt ready to breed yet)

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post #2 of 11 Old 02-21-2010, 02:19 PM
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Then here are some things you need to consider about YOUR MARE.

Has she been shown? How well did she do? And I don't mean "Yeah, we wen't to Bailey's Barn last weekend and kicked butt in egg & spoon race!" Honestly, I don't want you to take this the wrong way at all - I don't see your mare holding superior conformation.

You aren't going to get an awesome stud for cheap, as the saying goes, you get what you pay for. If you're worried that a stud fee is expensive, then you shouldn't even bother breeding - because breeding is expensive, the vet care is expensive, you'll have another mouth to feed, farrier, vet and get a dentist on. You will only ever make a profit with superior show animals.

There are a lot of Arabians up for sale, honestly it'd be cheaper for you to buy a baby then breed your mare.

I've got a lovely bunch of Neuticals,
There they are all standing in a row

Big ones, small ones, some as big as your head
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post #3 of 11 Old 02-21-2010, 02:43 PM
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I breed Bernese Mountain Dogs and show professionally. Not local fairs and matches, but professionally. If someone came to me to breed their female and sent a photo of the type like you are showing your mare, I would not be interested in breeding to a female that looks like a pet dog.
I would hope you do not take photos like that to show a potential sire owner. It doesn't show your mare to advantage at all, more like somebodies trail horse. I know a professional dog handler that also shows/raises Polish Arabians and in every photo, the horses are standing beautifully and there is no guessing what the horse looks like.
I have a beautiful true Blue Roan QH mare that has very good conformation, temperament, head, etc but I just had her spayed because I did not want to deal with having foals, and I have had many stud horse owners of beautiful QH wanting to breed to her.
If you are having to look for cheap stud fee or one who takes payments on the stud fee, then possibly you are not ready to have a mare in foal.(I know I have to explain to dog people that having a litter of puppies is not going to make money, between stud fees, taking care of the bitch, whelping with hopefully no problems, food, vet care, shots and the possibility of losing a bitch or a litter, most people decide to spay their girl and not risk it.) Has your mare won points in real Arab shows? conformation, performance? Or just local shows with no points? Again, as in dogs, you can take your dog to a match or fair and say"my dog is a grand champion at the fair, or Best of Breed at a match, "but the dog has never competed at national levels in real shows.
I looked at your web page, and while it is a very nice web page, it doesn't really say much about your horses or yourself except that you show(and place) in barrels, poles, riding, etc. Has your mare competed and won at the true Arabian shows? Not state level 4-h or pony club? If not, do you truly think your mare is breeding quality. Maybe get a true Arabian handler or breeder to go over your mare and give an honest opinion on her breeding quality.
I also work for a vet and have seen many many horrible outcomes of mares being bred and either dying and then trying to hand raise a baby, the foal dying, or other such things. I truly thought about breeding my mare, but with a chance of things happening to her before, during or after having a foal, I decided I would let the real horse breeders do that. Plus, where I live in Wyoming, we have pages and pages and pages of people trying to give horses away or for very cheap because of the economy. These are warmbloods, Arabs, QH's, Paints, just about any breed you can think of. People are dumping live horses in the deserts to live on their own, there are so many horses that are not wanted, why bring more into the world.

The big joke at the BLM these days is the way to catch the wild horses is just shake a grain bag. How sad is that?

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post #4 of 11 Old 02-21-2010, 03:41 PM Thread Starter
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Yes I agree with both of you and I am planning on breeding this foal for me, Also I said cheap stud fee figuring in that it costs a lot for vet and farrier etc. And I have looked into buying an arabian instead of breeding but I cant find any that are "cheap" excepsially for the economy in my area matter of fact there are hardy any in the area and if you guys can find me a Arabian under say 2 1/2 ish then show me then I would much rather do that then risk losing my mare and please not affensivly I know your trying to help but I know the risks and costs of breeding because I have breed this mare 3 times and all together I have breed 6 horses before and they all came out outstanding foals.

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post #5 of 11 Old 02-21-2010, 05:43 PM
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If you have bred and had outstanding foals why wouldn't you use the same sire?
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maybe the sire died? Maybe they stopped him breeding? Maybe it was a different mare? Anyway, get better pics of your mare then post.
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post #7 of 11 Old 02-21-2010, 09:47 PM Thread Starter
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I have more on under my horse Barakat Jsamine and yes the sire was qh and i want a purebreed and we sold him with breeding rights on him but the lady sold him and we dont know were he is now

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post #8 of 11 Old 02-22-2010, 12:54 AM
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I think you should broaden your horizons and consider AI.

Here's a SE Arab I like. He's much nicer even in person, and has a fabulous temperment/personality. About
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post #9 of 11 Old 02-22-2010, 09:27 AM
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Oh CheyAut, I am not a fan of arabs but that stallion is one beautiful horse.

13kielj, I think you need to do some thinking. I appreciate you wanting to breed your horse, but if she is as good of a horse as you think than she deserves a worthy stud. Don't let stud fees become the roadblock. Breed to a stallion that will improve upon your mares faults, not just one that is close and cheap, or one that's "good enough" because you are feeling pressured for time. If you have to wait until next year, and save up, and then do it. You are young, you aren't running out of time. Neither is your mare. It will be worth it in the end, if this is the baby you want to keep for yourself, to put the time, $$ and effort into making it the best baby Jasmine has.
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post #10 of 11 Old 02-22-2010, 11:37 AM
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Also, with a pretty quick search, here are a few very affordable arabs for sale that looks decent (note I know nothing about arab bloodlines)

Athletic Arabian Gelding

Arabian Mare 8yrs Sweet Quike Learner

Khadraj na Granddaughter Offered for Sale

Pure Bred Arabian Gelding - Horse For Sale in Peru, IN

Oasis Tisa Tsatyr - Bay Arabian for Sale in Cincinnati, Ohio OH - FREE Ads

You probably heard it on the news when these ones were seized in Valpo, a few months back, since you are in Indiana. These are rescues, still a few looking for homes, free.

Rescued Horses Free TO Good Homes
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