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post #21 of 28 Old 03-22-2010, 10:20 AM
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HAHAHAHA Pidge. I wish there were natural depressions in the pasture but it's super flat. We're going to have to attempt to hand breed and we aren't sure if he's done that before. We will give it a go though...with her backed up to the bank if she kicks she will just hit dirt so it's kinda a good thing overall IMO. We will try to hand breed then turn them out together to try to "seal the deal" so to speak and cover our bases. If this does go I will post pictures of each of them and maybe of the actual event haha.
Even without depressions...they will get it done! If TJ couldnt coax his mare into a ditch he would mount up anyway...it was strenuous on the little man (esspecially at 22 years old) and he would litterally fall off of her, But things got done....

So putting the two together to "seal the deal" sounds good to me lol

As for pictures....I most def wanna see the mare and the stud lol not so sure if i want ones of the 'event' though LOL


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post #22 of 28 Old 03-22-2010, 09:20 PM Thread Starter
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Who says my mare has a nasty temperament? She's a TB mare...she's got attitude but she is by no means nasty. Just because a horse is not a beginner's horse doesn't make it nasty and I don't appreciate you bad mouthing my mare Centrestableswendy.
I have been looking to break my mare's maiden to facilitate eventually breeding my next show horse and would like to do so before she gets much older. I have been looking at different studs and my first choice has always been a welsh cross for her first. She is a very well bred, well made mare and her lack of a show record is through no fault of her own as I have not had the time or inclination to campaign her. It does not mean that she is not a stellar moving, very athletic and trainable mare. The few local shows she has campaigned at she has never been out of the ribbons and judges across the board from hunters to dressage have loved her and I had a few ask me if I planned to breed her.
I also have several potential buyers already for the foal as they like my mare and her conformation so much. And a TB/Welsh cross even if both parents are registered is still a designer mutt of a horse. I am considering this stud for his advantages of strength of bone, conformation, size and personality. His lack of a show record is not a priority to me because I'm not looking for the next pony medal champion. If the foal turns out to not be pony size, so be it but it would be stupid to breed without a goal in mind for the baby and it's potential use wouldn't you say? It would also have a forever home with myself if any complications, health problems etc arose or a suitable home could not be found.
I appreciate the concerns regarding breeding, but one lone breeding where all of your concerns have been previously weighed by the owner and contingency plans are already in place is not the cause of over population. Putting animals together because you can or because you want a baby or because they just happened to escape together is the cause. Not to mention those that are breeding multiple mares to an unregistered stud. Select breedings to even grade studs is acceptable in my opinion if you are breeding for the right reasons (conformation, personality, trainability) and you are realistic about the limitations of such breedings.
I would rather have a hardy crossbred grade pony from well built parents than breed to most known APHA, AQHA and TB lines to name a few that have genetic defects, foot and leg problems and digestive problems known in their lines. Not to mention most of them can pass on less than stellar personalities and trainability. Forgive me if you think anything not registered is a sin but I happen to prefer it as far as health and temperament are concerned.
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Really? You want to breed for a TB/Welsh/Who knows what??
I just really don't get this pointless breeding, I'm sorry.

Just because they have reproductive organs doesn't mean they need to be used.

Good luck if you decide too, I just think it's a really, *really*, REALLY silly idea.

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Just out of curiosity what is worse to you. Two registered horses with bad conformation passing on known genes like Herda, HYPP, etc or a nicely put together grade horse of an age where most conditions would be apparent and a very nicely built registered mare? I'm just wondering why you feel that registration > health, temperament and conformation.
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Im with NittanyEquestrian on this...Ive seen some down right horrible registared horses...ones with a horrid temperment and shoddy confo. Then ive seen well built even tempered grades. I would take a nice even tempered grade over a horrid purebred any day and so would most people in the world. Its only the big show farms and ranches that truely care about registration.

Not to mention Nittany seems to have thought the entire thing through So I dont see an issue...

Oh and Nittany....I still wanna see pictures of the little man and your mare lol


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Neither are fine with me.
Breeding crap horses is breeding crap horses. Some mutt with bad conformation = Poco Beuno son with Herda or and Impressive Granddaughter with HYPP. Neither set should ever see another horse of a different gender with intent to reproduce. People with HYPP Y/N negative horses and breed them get the same head shake from me as people who breed an Arab/Quater/Morgan with a TB/Paint/Holsteiner just because they are pretty and nice.


I just think you'd be much better off breeding your mare to a nice Reg'd TB instead of some Welsh cross.

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Im with NittanyEquestrian on this...Ive seen some down right horrible registared horses...ones with a horrid temperment and shoddy confo. Then ive seen well built even tempered grades. I would take a nice even tempered grade over a horrid purebred any day and so would most people in the world. Its only the big show farms and ranches that truely care about registration.

Not to mention Nittany seems to have thought the entire thing through So I dont see an issue...

Oh and Nittany....I still wanna see pictures of the little man and your mare lol

I have to agree from what I have read and know of this situation there has been a lot of thought put into this.

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Im with NittanyEquestrian on this...Ive seen some down right horrible registared horses...ones with a horrid temperment and shoddy confo. Then ive seen well built even tempered grades. I would take a nice even tempered grade over a horrid purebred any day and so would most people in the world. Its only the big show farms and ranches that truely care about registration.

Not to mention Nittany seems to have thought the entire thing through So I dont see an issue...

Oh and Nittany....I still wanna see pictures of the little man and your mare lol
Registraton is only 1/4 of it. For me. I've seen a crapload of Reg'd horses with no conformation and a pedigree that you have to go back ten decades to find a show record. I don't really think those horses should be bred, either.

I don't even neccessairly have a problem with a good grade riding gelding or mare. As I've said before, you ride the horse, not the papers. But I just don't like seeing crossed horses breeding crossed horses (or crossed horses breeding purebreds) when there are already thousands of them out there with nowhere to go and nothing to do.

Either way, we all know what opinions are like.
I just think it'd be better for all parties involved (aside from maybe your friend who owns the Welsh X) to find a nice looking TB to breed her too. Who knows? Maybe you'd end up with a SHN foal on your hands.

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