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    07-09-2013, 03:39 PM
It is based on egg and sperm meeting not replacing genetic material to produce an exact genetic duplicate. AI is still egg and sperm meeting, surrogacy is just replacement though I think you could have some nurture differences that will possibly change the outcome of what you expect in some cases. Cloning means you open up the possibility of people claiming something that is not. How do you differentiate. You can keep all the records you want but you can't back them with DNA if the DNA is the same....
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    07-09-2013, 03:48 PM
Ugh, repost. Ignore this post
    07-09-2013, 03:51 PM
Meant surrogacy is still egg and sperm meeting just placed in an alternate uterus...
    07-09-2013, 05:26 PM
Lol. Believe it or not, Clayton is at Buffalo Ranch, where my mare got bred xD
They have him listed on his website as well. Clayton By Gill's Sonny Boy out of Drapers Jay
    07-10-2013, 11:54 AM
Trainerunlimite- haha That's too funny. Small world.

Looks like he's doing pretty well!
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    07-10-2013, 12:05 PM
I am no expert scientist on this issue. I have been studying gardening and have a few thoughts that may help explain why this is NOT a good idea.
First, we know that "Dolly", the first cloned animal (sheep) was cloned from an old sheep's DNA, and was old at birth, and did not live long. A cloned QH would have to be bred ASAP. If it is a mare, we know that breeding older mares isn't a wise thing to do. If it is a stallion, not so much a problem.
Secondly, if we compare domesticated vegetable plants to domesticated animals, the "heirloom" varieties, which have been bred for taste AND hardiness and disease and pest resistances, duplicate true. Hybreds do not. In fact, if you save the seed of a hybred, you might plant it and grow the wild version of the same plant! However, heirloom varieties don't produce as much.
Cloning is, I believe, a way of duplicating directly a valued animal. Someone would probably want to clone horses like "Secretariat" to produce another big money maker. If you are successful at this you essentially
"cheat" the system. You will also reduce the gene pool. When I re-read "Secretariat" the author spoke of his gene pool as diverse--no in-line breeding, and that even in the 1960's TB breeders knew that their shrinking gene pool was a self-made problem.
I hope that they are not successful. IMHO QH's are about the best breed of horse bc the gene pool is wider than the rest, and other breeds have favorably contributed to it. I hope that this doesn't ruin it.
    07-11-2013, 11:06 AM
We will have no "greats" that stand out if we clone. There will be no "special" horses. The education, time, work involved with breeding responsibly will have no meaning anymore. The appreciation and respect that comes from it won't be there. Everybody will eventually have access to what everyone else has. How "special" is that?
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    07-11-2013, 11:04 PM
My opinion? There's a reason why we live and die.
Mother nature is most times best left to her own devices.
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