Looking for some constructive critique on a young Arabian filly. They don't have current pictures posted and if I got her, I would have to ship her cross country. She is awesome looking in my point of view, but I am drooling too much to be able to see her faults.
I would want her for an all around pleasure/fun family horse. By the time she is ready to go under saddle, all my kids will be in school and I will have lots of time to give her (benefit of being a stay at home mom). When my horse crazy daughters are old enough to show beyond lead line classes, I think this filly would be a real head turner in the arena. I haven't seen any other young Arabians that have her looks for her price, especially in my area. Tons of ranch, stock type horses here
To me her legs look long and skinny, but then again, I'm not good at critiquing and I'm best with quarter horses... Not much of a help, sorry Posted via Mobile Device
I like her. She had another one she offered me. Super cool colour on some of her horses.
Now, this is just MY opinion, but I think they are way over priced. Sire and dam haven't done anything. Except have colour. It's a very average pedigree and not something I'd base MY breeding program on.
I also can't justify spending $4500 on a weanling with no proven heritage (up close) when I bought my *Echao son, a three time Halter Champion, for $5000.
That being said, she looks great, could be a FAB show horse and produce some great show prospects. Weanlings are too hard to critique, but it all depends on what you really want and are willing to invest in.
I'd pass. The horses in her pedigree are not necessarily known for good hind ends. She also has double Bey Shah, and he was not the greatest and producing good feet. Nothing really stellar in her bloodlines to indicate she was bred to be anything, aside from a black sabino. Sadly our breed is plagued with breeders who breed for that *sigh*.
I know worth crap about Arabs, but there is something wonky about her sire....he looks odd, and his hind end is awful.
Cool color, that's all I can say.
This one is very pretty and at least started for your money. She's one to take a further look at, if she's bred how you like (though again.....Bey Shaw? REALLLY? Misspelling horses you're trying to brag on is a pet peeve of mine), and you could at least try her out and see if she meets your criteria.
If you decide you like her and want to buy her as a riding prospect, fine. She's not one I'd be using as a breeding prospect, she's not real stellar. A 10 month old bred for nothing specific but color.......$750 TOPS, no way in Hades would I pay over that for a horse who's never been shown, bred for nothing and whose parents have nothing to speak of. Sorry, IMHO only of course.
In the Arabian breed everyone is all hung up on pedigrees without actually studying what they mean. "Full sister to National Champ so and so", GREAT grand daughter of the immortal............whomever........But....WHAT HAS THE HORSE THEY'RE TRYING TO SELL EVER DONE? WHAT HAVE THAT HORSE'S PARENTS EVER DONE? Most of the time, not a dam* thing and they're trying to tell you that it will be the next National Champ because 5 generations ago the great great great was.....NOT SO MUCH.
And, with the coloring this horse has, while I love it and think it's cool, go in the main ring in a pure bred class and the judges won't even look. If they do, they'll most likely be hiding the gag reflex. Too much white is penalized in the pure breds.
That awful halter doesn't help her, but her head looks very coarse too, not something I'd be looking at for anything more than just a trail riding horse.
I wasn't looking for a class A show filly, I would have to travel to the other side of the state or out of state for any show in my region. But put her in a youth/4H show against stock/ranch horses, she will be noticed and not marked down for excessive white. I would want to be a pure family pleasure horse, and I haven't found any horse in my area that compares to her in breeding, conformation, and color. I limit myself to black, because that is what I actually want. She something that I can feel excited about. By the way, I looked at one solid black Arab in my area (hour and a half drive one way) and they wanted 4 grand for their green broke mare that had no accomplishments. Also, her sire and dam also had no accomplishments other than being pleasure horses.
Maybe I am just narrow headed about what kind/breed and color I want in a horse. But if I have no attachment, I have no real desire to make sure that horse has a permanent home with me. Went through three perfectly fine horses that I sold because I wasn't attached. I didn't have to sell them, but I wasn't excited to see them everyday. They were never neglected, I just wasn't emotionally attached nor sad when they left to new homes to love them. Seeing her face makes me want to go the extra mile to spend every free moment with her. It could be buying on emotion, and you pay more out of pocket for it. It isn't the money that worries me, but some major conformation flaw that I might not have noticed. Her white doesn't seem that excessive either, a tad amount above the hocks is all. Posted via Mobile Device
Cute filly, grossly overpriced. Not the least impressed with either parent. IMO, you are in love with a picture......definitely get updated pics to see if you get the same "warm fuzzy" feeling from them. Other than that, your money, but I think you are projecting an awful lot of expectation and emotion on a baby you haven't met and know nothing about.
If you pay that price, you're a sucker. Sabino Arabs are a dime a dozen now, it's not exactly like they're rare. I don't like the sire at all, he needs to be snipped, the ONLY reason he's a stud is because of his color. His conformation is mediocre at best. This filly is no different whatsoever then if I went and bred my Arab mare and tried to unload the foal for $4500. Stop looking at color and markings. I find it REALLY difficult to believe you can't find black Arabs for less then that price. And if you're willing to spend that amount, you CAN get quality black Arabs and just pay the money to have them shipped over.
If this isn't a forever horse, even LESS reason to spend $4500 on her. You will only lose money in the re-sale.
The seller is asking $2500 and sabino Arabians are not common where I live. My area is flooded with backyard bred stock and ranch horses. I love the Arabians and grew up riding a beautiful Arabian mare. The only horse I have ever been attached to until she was killed by a lightning strike. I have never had a special bond since then and I have already requested both recent pictures and video of the filly. I want to know what kind of condition she is in and how she carries herself. She isn't the first black Arabian I looked at, but she is the only one that held some sort of inner interest in me. I was looking at black Arabian mares/fillies that were priced less than $3000 before getting into shipping costs. If I were to buy her, it would be a forever purchase. Even if I didn't bond with her, I have three little girls that could bond with her. Posted via Mobile Device
She doesn't have much white, even compared to some of mine. I'm hoping one day Sabino's will be more accepted in the show ring. Plus side, they don't worry too much about it in the performance ring, mostly just the halter which isn't really where I plan to show anyhow.
But if you think you're real set on her, is there someone close to her (I'm on ABN, people are great for this) that could go out and give their opinion? Maybe get some updated pics and a video for you?
As a side note - this filly isn't $4500 - you're quoting me and that was in reference to another filly by the breeder, not this seller. Sorry for the confusion.
PS - I have a super cool Black Sabino/Rabicano half Arabian filly for $1000. LOL!
She is a super cute Morab. Her pedigree link didn't work though. How far north of the border are you? I am going up to Spokane, Washington near the beginning of June. That is where my parents live and I wasn't able to visit during the holidays so I will be there for awhile after my kids get out of school for the summer. Posted via Mobile Device
There are 14 Black Arabian mares with photo ads on dreamhorse.com. Several are stunning to the eye and pedigrees are listed. I know nothing of pedigrees except for I recall Bask being a "famous" or well known horse.
Sorry, my bad. $2500 is better but still ridiculously excessive. I guess if you're deadset on this color and these markings, but it's a really silly reason to spend so much on a horse. You can buy a bombproof 10 year old 4-H kid's champion around here for that money.
I could buy that kind of horse here too for that amount of money (10 year old kid's horse winning in 4H), but I don't want another stock horse that has 10 years of someone else's training. I like the horses around here well enough, but not enough to want to own one long term. Every person is entitled to their own idea of a dream horse, mine has not been effected by other horses that I have owned in the past. I love the markings and color, but the conformation and disposition are more important. Posted via Mobile Device
so are there not horses closer that you could see so you don't have to ship across the country? I wouldn't be comfortable shipping a baby that far unless I was the one doing it.
I say if you feel drawn to this filly and are willing to pay that price for her go right ahead it's your money spend it however you want. Sounds like she's your dreamhorse so she's definitely worth looking into! You don't have to justify anything. I think she is beautiful too. I wish you luck!
I agree with Amymarie- if you haven't been able to find what you really want, and she's it, then follow your dream. If you can give her a good, loving home, and she's sound, meets your expectations, and you see her clearly, buy her.
Try contacting Susan Bates at Stormhaven Farms in Caldwell, ID. Hopefully she's not too far from you. She has some PHENOMENAL youngsters for sale and they are not humungously overpriced. They come from National Champion stock, she even owns one horse who was a Brazilian national champ. She has some youngsters that you not only could show 4H and open if you want, you could easily take them to Nationals if you desired it.
I might be interested if I were able to browse a website to see what was available, but I didn't find any more than a link to a stallion ad and someone posting about Susan Bates misrepresenting a horse for sale. She isn't very close to me, and if I were looking for a National quality Arabian, I would be going through Heritage Arabian Farm up in Spokane. I have been in contact with them before, I like what they do and how they run their breeding operation. It is also just as close to me as Caldwell, ID (Caldwell would be closer if mountain ranges weren't in the way causing me to drive south a long ways before going northwest while Spokane is straight north, then west). Though most of the young stock they sell for less then the big winners are the ones they feel won't do as well at top levels of competition. They really liked my mom's stallion when they worked him in December, but felt that he wouldn't do as well in WP because he didn't have the swan neck that the judges like to see. But I have no interest in National quality at this time, maybe in another ten years that would be something I would like to try out, but not at this time. Posted via Mobile Device
Honestly, I may get in trouble for this but if you guys want more info on Elements Arabians go to the free speech horse forum(fhotd64476.yuku.com) and do a search. The results are NOT pretty. Posted via Mobile Device
Its really far back....from last year. If you really want info just post a new thread and ask. I'm sure they'd be glad to help. Posted via Mobile Device
I have a half Araian filly that looks like her. She is 4 now and is out of the bey shah bloodlines. I have her mother who is also out of that line. Including El Mohktar. One of the stallions that was in the movie Return of the black stallion.
I am looking at "babies" since I won't be riding on a regular basis for another two years (when my youngest will be in school). So a four year old is old enough to need regular riding now, and I am not much into 6 year old green broke horses. I have found, in my own experience, that fully mature horses tend to have a lot more attitude and less willing when they are broken in when they are older.
I also found out yesterday that the filly could be shipped to Colorado for not a whole lot, which cuts down half my distance. I haven't been sent recent pictures yet, so I am impatiently waiting for a picture update.
Have you been to their facebook site? They have alot of photos of their horses in their albums. I haven't looked specifically for her. But, if she isn't owned by them, they may not have up to date ones. She usually takes quite a few photos
I don't want to sell her. I just wanted to say I have one like her. And she is broke. In my pocket broke. Bey Shah was a good stallion. He produced many many champions. My horses all have good feet. Bey Shah , Bey EL Bey. Huckleberry Bey, Desperado V. all of them have produced exceptional breeding stock. I simply replied because I have a number of horses with that line.
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