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post #21 of 45 Old 04-13-2011, 01:08 PM
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And yet she is one of the only ones I watch.......she has caught several malprensations by being pro active.....foals are alive today because she checked position rather than waiting to see???

Anybody who is foaling out or wants to breed should read Blessed are the Brood Mares........it is a wonderfully informative book.......and a bit scarey.


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She pulls every foal violently, no matter what. There are many, many other reasons her practices disgust me, and I'm happy to link to the discussion thread on the other BB if I'm allowed.
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I think I have watched an Elements Arabians birth, and I agree, she is too aggressive. She could be in the stall and checking on presentation and helping the mare in the last stage of pushing, but she doesn't need to start yanking and pulling right when she sees feet, which is what I have seen her do. Unnecessary, imo.

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I am really torn on the subject. I realize that by helping, you can have a bigger chance of preventing injury or death but I think experience plays a huge part - knowing what a normal labor looks like, it's probably just as easy to recognize a mare in trouble as it is to stick your hands up there and check.

In most videos, the biggest issue I have is to many bloody people. They're rushing the mare, talking, squealing, screaming, and the poor mare looks like she wants a transporter straight the heck out of there.

Mares foal alone for a REASON. They don't want you there. Period. She is not your little pet, she is not in need of comforting, she is an animal with very strong instincts and she is trying to get accomplished what comes most naturally to her. Yes, definitely help if she needs it, but otherwise I don't think I can agree that HALF the mares we see assisted have ANY need for a dozen people to be harassing her for 3 hours.

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I agree about all of the people during foaling. It should be a quiet, relaxed time (for the people).... the mare is very quiet herself, until her short bursts of grunts as she is pushing. People shouldn't make it more stressful to the mare than it already is. I love that moment of quiet right before the mare goes down to give birth. They stop their pacing (if they are pacing, some don't) and start to circle real slowly, then they go down with a groan and start into it. Poor mares who have a bunch of excited, squealing people watching and "helping". <shakes head>

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for gently helping a normal birth, but is has to be done calmly and correctly, by a horse person who knows what they are doing.

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And to add to the craziness, EA accused us (the other forum) of stealing 3 horses and 2 foals. They were found less than an hour later 10 mins down the road in a neighboring field - and still would not let up that they had Bern stolen instead of a more reasonable reason. Anyways, it made for a very interesting thread.
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What DID happen? Did someone steal them? I'm not understanding I guess. LOL. What do you think happened? She put them in a neighboring field herself? That's pretty idiotic.

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I agree about so many people being in the stall. I remember watching one mare foal last year and there were at least 4 people in the stall, a young girl was LAYING on the foal, petting it, rubbing it and holding it down and the mare was standing over the girl an foal. Never could figure out what the heck she was doing, this went on for at least an hour. The other folks were cleaning the stall, taking photos, talking on the phones, etc.
Drove me crazy, I am sure the mare would have loved to be with the foal in quiet
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Nobody stole them, they likely got out or it was planned. It was a whole saga amounting to over 200 pages of discussion.
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Justdressageit- what else does EA do that bothers you? I'm just curious because ive been watching her cams and never heard anyone having problems with her before! I would be interested in seeing the other thread, if you can post it?
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The mods are welcome to remove this post if I'm not allowed to link. Warning, this forum is a free-speech forum and can contain mature language. Viewer discretion is advised.
http://fhotd64476.yuku.com/topic/59382/OMG-Elements-Now?page=1
The original thread (that led up to this thread) was deleted by Yuku as Steph got her panties in a giant wad.
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