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        04-14-2011, 12:08 PM
      #41
    Foal
    I've been there for all three of our foals births. The first two were from the same mare, 3 years apart. She was not a maiden mare. She had NO problems, no need to touch the babies until they were mostly out, then I pulled the sac off their face. Last spring my other mare that I show had her 1st. I'm really glad I was there, because I did have to pull. The baby was so big (17h sire) that she couldn't get her shoulders out. Just pulled gently with contractions, and had a healthy huge filly. Mare had a bit of a vaginal tear, but was fine. She's due again (same stud) on May 16, I'm hoping it goes a bit easier now that she is not a maiden mare. :)
         
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        04-14-2011, 12:20 PM
      #42
    Weanling
    Right, SP, but some videos on Youtube are of the mare's entire ordeal. I watched from when the mare goes down to when EA was pulling the foal. There was no thrashing around of the mare, no extended waiting period, everything was normal. I'm an experienced mare midwife, I can recognize a normal birth.

    I too thought that the people on the other board in the link JDI gave behaved liked little dirty mouthed children, but that doesn't cover up the fact that this lady does pull her foals out aggressively.

    I can't believe (and I mean that literally) that this lady has had so many foal misrepresentations and complications. It just doesn't happen that often. In 17 years of foaling mares, we've have ONE leg back. ONE! EA probably claims defensively that the foal was in the wrong position when people jump on her for yanking, because she's claimed it more than once. I'm not saying the birth you watched wasn't "one leg back and the foal upside down" (which isn't that big of a deal. Reach in, cup the hoof with your hand, pull the leg out and deliver normally, upside down doesn't matter.) but just saying it doesn't happen as frequently as some people think.
         
        04-15-2011, 02:24 AM
      #43
    Foal
    I do have an additional question now. A lot of people (in this thread and on other forums) have mentioned about them pulling the sack off of the face of the foal.
    Now, I can fully logically understand why that's important to do ASAP - but just thinking about wild horses etc. wouldn't the foals/mares do this themselves? Why is it important for someone to do this for them?
         
        04-15-2011, 03:15 AM
      #44
    Weanling
    Oh yeah, wild foals do it by themselves...but I'm sure there have been wild foals that died because of a thicker than usual sack or perhaps a slightly weak foal that couldn't break it, or also it could get tangled up over his nostrils somehow and suffocate him. It's not normal though for a foal to not be able to break the sac. It's usually very thin. Us humans just like to think it's necessary to break it, but it's not really. I always do it, though. The foal's feet is the first thing to puncture the sac, which still leaves most of it sitting on his head, possibly covering nostrils. The foal can take his first breath that much sooner if I'm there to lift it.
         
        04-15-2011, 04:35 AM
      #45
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Juna
    Oh yeah, wild foals do it by themselves...but I'm sure there have been wild foals that died because of a thicker than usual sack or perhaps a slightly weak foal that couldn't break it, or also it could get tangled up over his nostrils somehow and suffocate him. It's not normal though for a foal to not be able to break the sac. It's usually very thin. Us humans just like to think it's necessary to break it, but it's not really. I always do it, though. The foal's feet is the first thing to puncture the sac, which still leaves most of it sitting on his head, possibly covering nostrils. The foal can take his first breath that much sooner if I'm there to lift it.
    Ah yup that makes perfect sense :) Fair enough!
         

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