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    05-12-2010, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Honeysuga    
Exacty Indy. When you breed an animal you should throw your whole life into it, you should learn as much as you can about it and the possible genetic diseases that come with it. I don't know about you but it is hard enough to trying to get to know everything about 1(or 2) breed/species let alone the 5 or 6+ some people mill out...
100% agree. Dedication to my breed is my life. In the ten years since I started down the road of deciding to breed my working collies, I've bred only 3 litters. My 4th will be this fall. I will NOT breed until my dogs have proven themselves as not just possessing, but excelling within the traits my breeding program is based on, have cleared that they not are not affected but also do not carry any genetic disease (no small task in itself, in the collie world where an est 90% of the genepool are carriers of CEA alone, and I test for 5 separate disorders). The parent club to this day still advocates the breeding of "mildly affected" dogs as a reasonable practise and movement towards eradicating genetic disease - despite the fact that it doesn't matter HOW affected a dog is, it's still a carrier, and dogs can be carriers even if they show NO symptoms. Dogs bred too big to work, too fluffy to go outside without getting hung up in the brush, and heads too narrow to encase their brains, thus quite literally "making them stupid". And a big one? I will not breed a litter until I have a waiting list long enough to be certain every single pup has an excellent and completely suitable home before it is even conceived. I currently have a waiting list of 25+ approved homes for my next two litters, and that is AFTER my enormous litter of 9 pups last year. I do no advertising outside a very basic website. My reputation is word of mouth and my dogs prove themselves. Out of my last litter of 9 pups, more than half (5 pups) had their AKC CGC by five months of age, which is a nationally recognized record.

Oh geez. Told you not to get me started. I'm going to go away before I REALLY start ranting *lol*
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    05-12-2010, 10:51 PM
I want a baby and will buy it for sure.... I do not want to play the statistics/numbers/gamble with breeding. I want to see what I am getting.
    05-12-2010, 11:26 PM
There are so many horses on Dream horse CraigsList and so on. I love looking. I have yet to find a single horse that I would actually buy for the price I can breed for. The ones around here in CL are scary and yet they breed them. Some are trying to sell b/c they have more coming. That one really ticks me off. If you can not keep them then do not breed more. If you can not get a good price for your foal and I am not taking $1K I am talking at the very least $2500 then do not breed. I see so many selling for $200. Why would you even breed a foal that you could not get even $200 for??

I also agree that there are a lot of people on these forums who breed who should not be. Yet every one thinks we must be nice and PC.

Way too many color breeders I really hate when the first thing you see is someone asking about what color the foal will be. Who cares. I was looking at stallions for one of my mares the other day. Emailed several stallion owners. One that I some what liked I ruled out for one simple reason. The line about what color his foals are. If that is you clam to fame on your stallion....

Foundation breeders are anouther one of my pet peeves. If you are breeding for a % you are no better then the color breeders. I see this so much also. The first thing in the add is about what % their horse is. Again who cares. Each of my mares are very high % foundation. Yet That is not even on my list when looking at breeding them. Should never be either.

I could go on but I will stop now.
    05-12-2010, 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
Why would you even breed a foal that you could not get even $200 for??

Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
One that I some what liked I ruled out for one simple reason. The line about what color his foals are. If that is you clam to fame on your stallion....

Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
Again who cares. Each of my mares are very high % foundation. Yet That is not even on my list when looking at breeding them. Should never be either.
and BRAVO!!!!
    05-12-2010, 11:31 PM
The 2 stallions I am down to are both bays. Which means I will Get drum roll please.................. A BAY.
    05-12-2010, 11:59 PM
Thank you for bringing up the point about color. I am a huge gaited horse enthusiast and always loved TWH for their disposition and talents, not their color. In the last 20 years TWHBEA has turned into a color producing machine. If its not something flashy, its not going to sell and I hate that. The best walker I ever rode (and he ended up being a WGC horse) was a flat sorrel. No white anywhere. Good conformation but with a signature walker head. But he was talented and good tempered. Since they have started in with the rainbow of colors, I've yet to run across a really outstanding walker. I guess its just me getting older and times are a-changin but when I was showing walkers, a palomino was a rare color. A "spotted saddle horse' was a once in a lifetime find.
    05-13-2010, 12:48 AM
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I got Cin from a BYB, I'm pretty sure. She means well and did try to have a foundation for a good start, but things have gone awry from there. She has a BEAUTIFUL QH broodmare, a Doc's Cinch Bet great-grandaughter, bred by picky breeders specializing in western performance horses (I've researched Cin's QH bloodlines). Wonderful bloodlines and conformation. However...She is breeding her to no name paints trying to get a paint baby....only the QH mare has YET to throw anything with spots. So now she has about 7 "breeding stock" paints running around, all barely halter broke. It wouldn't be so bad if she got them trained up so that they could at least do their performance breeding on their Dam's side some justice....but alas, they are all pets.
    05-13-2010, 01:24 AM
Originally Posted by Indyhorse    
^^^ Couldn't agree more. You want a baby horse - buy one! There are plenty in need out there. People are giving horses away left and right just trying to get homes for them. I have 2 horses now that "were thrown in the deal free" when I bought my young colt (his dam, AND she was bred back before I got her, and just gave birth to a filly) because the owner had too many horses and not enough finances. But still had the mares pastured with the stallion to make more babies, WHILE she was having to give horses away. Geez, where the heck is your brain? BYB's, in both the horse AND dog world are a huge pet peeve of mine.

Ooh ooh... I want to get in this one...
IF you are wanting to have a baby for emotional reasons (??? Which Im telling you, the only emotion Im feeling about it right now is stress), don't breed a mare you have no history on to a stallion you have no history on, go to the sale and buy a pregnant mare... then you have the same thing as if you were backyard breeding... you have no clue what the hell your going to end up with... like me and Dusty. I totally took her in as a charity case, didnt want nor need a baby, and really couldn't afford one, but we got one anyway... so now were going to make the best of it.
There are plenty of decent "grade" mares out there that are already bred, and this is the reason their owners run them through the sale... because they don't want the extras that come along with a foal... so for goodness sake, go save one that somebody already "backyard bred" and now their sendin it to the packer!
I don't usually put in my two cents, but there you go.
    05-13-2010, 01:42 AM
Someone posted about dogs, so I have to comment, lol. There are SOME designer dogs that actually had a purpose--like trying to make a more allergy friendly dog, or making a more versatile breed (the labradoodle is an example of that, IMO they are EXCELLENT dogs, I've never met one I didn't like) but some of the combinations are just stupid. Another thing, WHY do we need a 'toy' version of everything these days?!?

Next thing you know, it'll catch on in the horse world and we'll start having minature thoroughbreds and quarter horses.

I think BYB's are why some people choose to stay away from "grade" horses. Although they're just as good, it perpetuates the cycle?
    05-13-2010, 01:54 AM
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Backyard Breeder = the dolt who posted the Ad I saw on Craiglist this morning. Wanted a stud to live cover their mare. Listed a few breeds that they would "prefer" but said it didn't really matter as long as it was a really cheap stud fee since they didn't have much money.

I can only imagine what a "really cheap" stud would look like, I suppose the mare was really cheap too.... can you imagine the offspring!?

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