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    05-13-2010, 10:14 AM
  #41
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
There are so many horses on Dream horse CraigsList and so on. I love looking. I have yet to find a single horse that I would actually buy for the price I can breed for. The ones around here in CL are scary and yet they breed them. Some are trying to sell b/c they have more coming. That one really ticks me off. If you can not keep them then do not breed more. If you can not get a good price for your foal and I am not taking $1K I am talking at the very least $2500 then do not breed. I see so many selling for $200. Why would you even breed a foal that you could not get even $200 for??

I also agree that there are a lot of people on these forums who breed who should not be. Yet every one thinks we must be nice and PC.

Way too many color breeders I really hate when the first thing you see is someone asking about what color the foal will be. Who cares. I was looking at stallions for one of my mares the other day. Emailed several stallion owners. One that I some what liked I ruled out for one simple reason. The line about what color his foals are. If that is you clam to fame on your stallion....

Foundation breeders are anouther one of my pet peeves. If you are breeding for a % you are no better then the color breeders. I see this so much also. The first thing in the add is about what % their horse is. Again who cares. Each of my mares are very high % foundation. Yet That is not even on my list when looking at breeding them. Should never be either.

I could go on but I will stop now.
YES YES YES! I agree so much with this..
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Originally Posted by Indyhorse    
Bravo



Bravo



And BRAVO!!!!
Hahahahahaha, totally, .
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
The 2 stallions I am down to are both bays. Which means I will Get drum roll please.................. A BAY.
I like bays.. Bays with nice shiny coats, a little chrome, and oh yeah, a pedigree that backs up their show record and conformation!
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Originally Posted by justsambam08    
Someone posted about dogs, so I have to comment, lol. There are SOME designer dogs that actually had a purpose--like trying to make a more allergy friendly dog, or making a more versatile breed (the labradoodle is an example of that, IMO they are EXCELLENT dogs, I've never met one I didn't like) but some of the combinations are just stupid. Another thing, WHY do we need a 'toy' version of everything these days?!?

Next thing you know, it'll catch on in the horse world and we'll start having minature thoroughbreds and quarter horses.

I think BYB's are why some people choose to stay away from "grade" horses. Although they're just as good, it perpetuates the cycle?
For the red text: I don't like the cross, since it is just a cross, a hybrid, it's not a breed. No doubt the cross tends to be "excellent", that's just for some of the dogs. Some have traits that are.. viscous. Psychotic, even.
For the blue: how stupid, there really is no purpose for another miniature breed. The mini's we have today are just fine.
Bold text: Yeah, grade horses are fine in my book. I would like to breed my grade mare, although I have no idea what to do at this point. She's either lame or severely back sore.
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Originally Posted by Delfina    
Backyard Breeder = the dolt who posted the Ad I saw on Craiglist this morning. Wanted a stud to live cover their mare. Listed a few breeds that they would "prefer" but said it didn't really matter as long as it was a really cheap stud fee since they didn't have much money.

I can only imagine what a "really cheap" stud would look like, I suppose the mare was really cheap too.... can you imagine the offspring!?
It's just ignorance, pure ignorance. Sorry to say that, but it also may be a horse owner who is not well-educated about the horse-world.
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Originally Posted by CheyAut    
Depending on their genetics, you could also get black or chestnut ;)

I do NOT breed for color, but I AM horse color genetics obsessed, so I DO have an interest in knowing what color the foal could end up being, but just because of my curiousity, not because it matters :)
I LOVE your foals, CheyAut!! You are one of my favorite breeders, you have serious knowledge about what you breed, you back it up by following genetics. All your horses are well conformed, have nice bloodlines, and all have a purpose. I hold a great amount of respect for you, not only as a breeder, but as a horse-woman.
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Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
If you want a hypoallergenic dog, get a Poodle.

If you want a fairly large, hypoallergenic dog, get a standard Poodle.

Standards are lovely, intelligent, and very hardy dogs. My next dog is probably going to be a standard Poodle.

IMO, there's absolutely no reason to breed mutts and call them 'designer' dogs. The people who will pay an exorbitant price for mutts are idiots.

The Puggle is one that gets my goat. Yeah, let's take a Pug and a Beagle and mate 'em! You usually get a dog who has trouble breathing, and bays when they get excited. How is that desirable?

I bought my Great Dane from a very reputable breeder. She makes no money on her dogs, and is in it for the sheer love of and desire to improve the breed.

She requires vet and personal references, and she gives a 2 year heath guarantee on her puppies. She also tells people if they can't keep their dog, she'll take it back no questions asked.

She only breeds one or two litters a year, always has a waiting list, and many of her buyers are return customers.

That's a reputable breeder.
YES YES YES YES YES!!
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Originally Posted by Indyhorse    
Agreed! Standard poodles are lovely, hardy, and very athletic, intelligent dogs! Tremendously under-credited breed. I have a Standard that comes to me for herding. She's titled in agility, obedience, she has competed in several field hunting trials, AND she is currently halfway to her herding title! You don't get more versatile then that!

Why in the world would you cross that with a lab (no offense to lab owners) and think you are making an improvement?
Again, my answer is ignorance...
     
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    05-13-2010, 10:16 AM
  #42
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Originally Posted by ShannonSevenfold    
I came across this ad today:

QUARTER STALLION GRADE

Getting back to horses...

A grade mare with good conformation I can live with but never ever should there be grade stallions.
     
    05-13-2010, 10:26 AM
  #43
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Originally Posted by Spyder    
A grade mare with good conformation I can live with but never ever should there be grade stallions.
I have a question- and not that I don't disagree, I totally do! But I think we need to clear up WHY grade stallions are bad. My question- Why do we bash grade stallion 'more' than we get on grade mares?

Is it because..?
  1. Stallions can produce more offspring than mares?
  2. Stallions can become dangerous and be a hazard to people who "don't know what their doing"?
  3. It is easier, and cheaper, to end a stallion's breeding carrier? (AKA gelding)
  4. People just stink stallions are more of a 'risk' than mares..(Goes with hazardous but..)
  5. It's simpler to bash a un-castrated male horse rather than an a female horse with working reproductive organs?
  6. Or all of the above.
     
    05-13-2010, 10:59 AM
  #44
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I think Spyder's point (if she'll forgive me for putting words in her mouth - please correct me if I'm wrong) is that it's not common practise to have mares spayed. A mare with working reproductive organs does not automatically mean she will be bred. Mares are just fine as they are, they can be worked and useful either way.

Stallions on the other hand, have only one excuse in the world to be stallions as opposed to geldings, because castration is a common practice, and ALL male horses are better working/riding companions when they are gelded. Since grade horses happen, but are generally not the ideal, there is no reason to perpetuate them by having ANY male grade horse remain uncastrated. Every male grade horse SHOULD be castrated - thus, no grade stallions should exist.
     
    05-13-2010, 03:53 PM
  #45
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Originally Posted by justsambam08    
Next thing you know, it'll catch on in the horse world and we'll start having minature thoroughbreds and quarter horses.
Haha I just had to laugh xD
     
    05-13-2010, 04:19 PM
  #46
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We bash grade stallions because they still have that top-priority need-to-breed instinct whenever they see a mare. It's unfair to let them breed and produce more unwanted horses, and it's unfair to let them be around mares and not be allowed to breed! It's essentially cruelty, just teasing them with mares mares mares mares when they can't have them!

A grade mare doesn't go as wild over the stallions when they see them. The surgery is much more complicated to spray a mare than to geld a stally, and an unsprayed mare isn't as dangerous and unwanted as a grade stallion.

IMO.
     
    05-13-2010, 04:23 PM
  #47
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Here's a good way to look at it:

If people didn't backyard breed what would half of this forum and the OP have to bi!tch about? XD
     
    05-13-2010, 04:24 PM
  #48
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Haha very true
     
    05-13-2010, 04:26 PM
  #49
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Originally Posted by justsambam08    
Someone posted about dogs, so I have to comment, lol. There are SOME designer dogs that actually had a purpose--like trying to make a more allergy friendly dog, or making a more versatile breed (the labradoodle is an example of that, IMO they are EXCELLENT dogs, I've never met one I didn't like)
"Doodles" and designer dogs are a pet peeve of mine. You are not guaranteed a hypoallergenic dog when you cross a regular dog with a hypoallergenic dog. Poodles are great dogs in and of themselves; there are really no reasons to outcross with another breed. Poodles are extremely versatile, I'm not sure what any other breed could offer?
Anyways, that's just my little rant of the day!
     
    05-13-2010, 04:26 PM
  #50
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Originally Posted by White Foot    
If people didn't backyard breed what would half of this forum and the OP have to bi!tch about? XD
Well, we could always go back to duking it out over equine slaughter.
     

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