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        05-14-2010, 12:41 PM
      #71
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
    I didn't go thru all 7 pages, just first 2 or 3. And I guess I going to be yelled at, but... I LOVE mutt dogs and cats and prefer them to almost ANY breed I know of. I'd say almost any mix looks cute to me while I can think of very limited number of breeds I like to look at personally. I've had 2 mutts (not even 2 breeds, but what? 5? 10? 25? Mixed in, got both as little pups one from shelter, one from person I know) and I had OFFERS from different people off the street to buy them because of their cuteness when they were adult dogs not even puppies anymore. So personally I'm strongly against to have just purebred dogs and cats on market (especially for $$$ one can't even afford sometime).
    While I agree and have mutts my self. I love them care for them train them everything I do with my pure bred dogs. However the mutts are fixed and it would NEVER cross my mind to breed any of them. No matter how much I love them and how great they are. Same with horses.
         
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        05-14-2010, 02:30 PM
      #72
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    Originally Posted by ilovemyPhillip    
    I LOVE your foals, CheyAut!! You are one of my favorite breeders, you have serious knowledge about what you breed, you back it up by following genetics. All your horses are well conformed, have nice bloodlines, and all have a purpose. I hold a great amount of respect for you, not only as a breeder, but as a horse-woman.

    Wow, that was VERY nice of you! :) It's certainly what I strive for, so I do love hearing people say so, thank you! :)
         
        05-15-2010, 06:28 AM
      #73
    Started
    I've got one for you, a woman came into training with a horse and said "my horse walks really funny, I don't know what to do" so we watched it undersaddle and it was a paint/walking horse 0_0 I mean how do you not know what you bred? AND on top of that she said "I like the way this one turned out I might breed him again". !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I mean come on
         
        05-15-2010, 10:32 AM
      #74
    Weanling
    GREAT thread! I couldn't agree more with pretty much all of what's been posted here. Specifically the point about "having a plan for the foal". If you're having it just to say you did it, or just to have a foal (and have no plans or goals, or no training in mind) then I just don't understand.
         
        05-15-2010, 12:01 PM
      #75
    Green Broke
    It's funny, because we talk about the backyard breeder and the first thing that comes to mind is most of us - typical riders who have one or two horses that probably aren't registered and mostly just pets and companions.

    But what about the people who DO have a business, who DO have registered stock, and who DON'T have a clue? These people are the absolute WORST. In my opinion, so much worse then the standard BYB - the average one of us breeds our mare once, gets our kyoot little foal, and very likely, will end up keeping it!

    I know a woman who is convinced her horses are champions. That they have this flawless conformation and they're just perfect for everything. Because they're registered. And one did some halter showing as a youngster, completely local. Not only do you have to ask yourself "why are they $300 a pop then?", but you can't help but shudder at the fact that she's breeding multiple mares every year - and ends up with nothing but pastures full of wild and dangerous and mostly unregistered horses that never get handled. She is fully convinced she has the best bloodlines around and that everyone should want these foals - she just never advertises so they sit and rot.

    Let me tell you, 90% of what she's breeding is fuglier and more useless then 90% of the average mare owners I know picking out a PROPER stud and breeding their sweet Bessie. At least the foal has a chance on ONE side of the fence.

    At the end of the day, it's THOSE people that are fueling the slaughter industry. The people breeding 20 and 30 "registered" foals every year that aren't worth snot because even papers won't fix what's wrong with them. I would MUCH rather see someone breed their mediocre trail horse to a nicely selected stud because they want a baby then have to watch half these train wrecks try to convince the world their foals are worth something!
         
        05-15-2010, 01:47 PM
      #76
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
    It's funny, because we talk about the backyard breeder and the first thing that comes to mind is most of us - typical riders who have one or two horses that probably aren't registered and mostly just pets and companions.

    But what about the people who DO have a business, who DO have registered stock, and who DON'T have a clue? These people are the absolute WORST. In my opinion, so much worse then the standard BYB - the average one of us breeds our mare once, gets our kyoot little foal, and very likely, will end up keeping it!

    I know a woman who is convinced her horses are champions. That they have this flawless conformation and they're just perfect for everything. Because they're registered. And one did some halter showing as a youngster, completely local. Not only do you have to ask yourself "why are they $300 a pop then?", but you can't help but shudder at the fact that she's breeding multiple mares every year - and ends up with nothing but pastures full of wild and dangerous and mostly unregistered horses that never get handled. She is fully convinced she has the best bloodlines around and that everyone should want these foals - she just never advertises so they sit and rot.


    I have to agree with this. I know a woman who was breeding her ex-lesson horses because she had access to her best friend's Oldenburg Stallion. She actually tried to sell me one of her colts who had a twisted leg for $9,000. That was 5 years ago, and she still hasn't sold him, she has a field of Oldenburg crosses aged 2-5 years old who have no training and might as well be wild horses. She too believes that she is an amazing breeder/trainer, and her horses are champions.

    I think that people shouldn't breed their horses "just because". People also need to be more responsible so there isn't "accidental" breedings. A family I used to board my horse with bred their registered quarter horse mare with bad confirmation for no real purpose. Then the next year, the mare was pregnant again because they put a stud colt in the field with her...how could they not know what would happen?
         
        05-15-2010, 03:27 PM
      #77
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by CheyAut    
    Wow, that was VERY nice of you! :) It's certainly what I strive for, so I do love hearing people say so, thank you! :)
    No problem , you're welcome.
         
        05-15-2010, 03:46 PM
      #78
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Honeysuga    
    Yes, that is one often overlooked, most quality breeders stick to one or two breeds. Often if there are 4,5,+ breeds/ species coming from one breeder it is a critter mill/byb.

    That is one thing that gets me, giving mix breed animals a name to make them seem something other than a mutt. Cockapoos, puggles, pintabians, quarabs, why don't you just call it what it is, a mix breed...
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    Ok first let me say I'm a purist, I would never breed an arabian to anything but an arabian(they are my fav. Breed.) however when your talking Pintabian you may want to take that off your list. A pintabian takes many many years to create. Many folks think a Pintabian is nothing more then an arab paint cross it is not. A Pintabian must be atleast 98% arab with lines to color as in the sire and ****. I don't know many BYBs but the few I do know of do not have the patience to set down and take many generations to create a pintabian, heck if I wasn't a purist I wouldn't have the patience to create one. LOL!!! Now as far as the "designer" breed dogs ugggg lets not get me started on that, it is definitely one of my biggest pet peeves, I have been kicked off many a classified section of a forum for letting folks know this.
         
        05-15-2010, 05:25 PM
      #79
    Green Broke
    I mean specifically mixing a paint and an arabian hoping to get color and calling it a paintabian. Still just as designer as a labradoodle, just takes more time to get one. Much like the shireloosas and arabaloosas everyone is breeding...
         
        05-15-2010, 09:28 PM
      #80
    Trained
    Macabre, I totally have to agree. I don't care if you've got bloodlined horses coming out of the ying yang, but if you're just breeding to breed, you need a serious slap upside the head.

    Point in case, a HUGE Arabian barn for the last few years, has been giving away anywhere's from 20-30 foals per year. Free, all you gotta do is pay for the paperwork. Now, I'm talking big named sires - Versace, Padron, DA Valentino - All National Champions. And they are GIVING away babies from these sires. Who's breeding fee's average $3000.
    Why? It's a halter barn. Those foals they are giving away won't ever make it to the Nationals in Halter. Probably be freaking phenomal performance horses. For the last few years they have done this.
    Now, not only are you totally de-valuing your stallions (Who's going to pay $3000 for a stud fee when they can wait to get a free foal?!) it's supremely hard for us smaller breeders to even get a foot in the door because of the quality of these foals that they are just throwing away.
    And you know what gets me? They always advertise it as - "Free foals from National Champions to give away - need to make room for upcoming foal crop!"
    If you can't properly market and sell what you're already producing... Maybe you should STOP.
         

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