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post #81 of 96 Old 05-15-2010, 09:31 PM
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I mean specifically mixing a paint and an arabian hoping to get color and calling it a paintabian. Still just as designer as a labradoodle, just takes more time to get one. Much like the shireloosas and arabaloosas everyone is breeding...
Just some FYI... You cannot breed a purebred Paint to a purebred Arabian and get a Pintabian. Pintabians need to be at least (I believe) 96% Arabian blood to be registered as a Pintabian (so you'd need to breed Pinto/Arab, breed that Pinto/Arab to a purebred Arabian to get a Pintabian). Otherwise it's just a plain old cross bred.

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post #82 of 96 Old 05-15-2010, 09:32 PM
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I mean specifically mixing a paint and an arabian hoping to get color and calling it a paintabian. Still just as designer as a labradoodle, just takes more time to get one. Much like the shireloosas and arabaloosas everyone is breeding...
I have known folks to do that, then explain to them what a pintabian truely is and what it takes to be reg. Pintabian, it can take decades to get a pintabian breeding program up if you start from scratch. We must remember in this situation your would also be calling an Appendix Qh or a TB paint cross designer breeds when they would be reg. Either qh or paint. However alot of folks don't know that and just buy into the breeding paints and arabs, which uggg is a huge pet peeve considering again I'm a purist when it comes to arabs. We all must remember tho, 98% of all light breeds came from arabians and took someones with knowledge(which leaves bybs out) to come up with each specific breed. I think registries should require classess for each owner and animal exams for each breed should be required before registration would be allowed for any planned breeding. Another thing that gets me, breeding any breed horse to a dilute hopeing for color.
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That is exactly what I was saying WSarabians.

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We've got quite the thread here, lol.

I know someone like that. Not just horses, but sheep, dogs, cats, AND chickens. All at the same time. They had at least a dozen chickens, four mares in foal to their Appy, a few cats, several dogs, a ram, two ewes, and a few lambs. None of which were spayed or neutered. After falling into a huge hole, they sold everything but a few dogs, and then decided to fork out like $300 for a registered Aussie puppy, that they aren't getting fixed because they may want to breed her. All of this after the [maybe] 2 year old Sharpay died because they couldn't feed her enough to compensate for the life her puppies sucked out of her. It makes me cringe. Hardcore cringe.

I would love to breed my mare. Because I want to have a part of her after she passes. She's a registered Paint without any major [or even any minor] conformational flaws, has had two colored babies, and is what most people would consider a breed-worthy mare. But I wouldn't breed to a Paint, I'd breed to a TB, draft, or warmblood, because I'd want something big and "hot." I would want a dressage mount, a hunter/jumper, maybe an eventer-type horse. The stud would have to be correct and successful. Yes, I would have a grade baby. But I wouldn't take any stud. Would that make me a "backyard breeder?" I don't think so. Especially since I'm not going to breed her because 1] she's 18, 2] I can't afford it, and 3] my friend at work had a "whoops" QH filly she was trying to give away.

If I fell into a very, very large sum of money and had enough, I'd probably still breed Ricci. But in reality, by the time I had the money to comfortably breed her and support her through pregnancy and the foal, she'd be too old for me to comfortably breed anyway. And I don't want to breed Gracie when she gets older because I don't feel she has anything spectacular to offer, and certainly nothing I'd want to keep in baby-form. She's a great filly, don't get me wrong. But why make a baby I wouldn't use and probably couldn't sell because there are already thousands of QH's out there? So I've resigned myself to someday purchasing a warmblood colt, get it gelded, and then have my big, "hot" eventer-type horse.

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We've got quite the thread here, lol.

I know someone like that. Not just horses, but sheep, dogs, cats, AND chickens. All at the same time. They had at least a dozen chickens, four mares in foal to their Appy, a few cats, several dogs, a ram, two ewes, and a few lambs. None of which were spayed or neutered. After falling into a huge hole, they sold everything but a few dogs, and then decided to fork out like $300 for a registered Aussie puppy, that they aren't getting fixed because they may want to breed her. All of this after the [maybe] 2 year old Sharpay died because they couldn't feed her enough to compensate for the life her puppies sucked out of her. It makes me cringe. Hardcore cringe.

I would love to breed my mare. Because I want to have a part of her after she passes. She's a registered Paint without any major [or even any minor] conformational flaws, has had two colored babies, and is what most people would consider a breed-worthy mare. But I wouldn't breed to a Paint, I'd breed to a TB, draft, or warmblood, because I'd want something big and "hot." I would want a dressage mount, a hunter/jumper, maybe an eventer-type horse. The stud would have to be correct and successful. Yes, I would have a grade baby. But I wouldn't take any stud. Would that make me a "backyard breeder?" I don't think so. Especially since I'm not going to breed her because 1] she's 18, 2] I can't afford it, and 3] my friend at work had a "whoops" QH filly she was trying to give away.

If I fell into a very, very large sum of money and had enough, I'd probably still breed Ricci. But in reality, by the time I had the money to comfortably breed her and support her through pregnancy and the foal, she'd be too old for me to comfortably breed anyway. And I don't want to breed Gracie when she gets older because I don't feel she has anything spectacular to offer, and certainly nothing I'd want to keep in baby-form. She's a great filly, don't get me wrong. But why make a baby I wouldn't use and probably couldn't sell because there are already thousands of QH's out there? So I've resigned myself to someday purchasing a warmblood colt, get it gelded, and then have my big, "hot" eventer-type horse.
Actually an APHA registered horse crossed to a JC registered horse still gives you a very registerable APHA horse. APHA allows both Qhs, and TBs to be bred into the registration. If you check most paint horse pedigrees(probably including your mare) you will find many TBs in the mix, so that helps your options of having a registered foal.

I have never bred a horse, doesn't mean I never will. My paint mare who I adore, has some flaws and if she ever was able to produce a foal(she has a growth not sure if she could) I don't think I'd ever breed her. She's the sweetest mare in the world and very smart but I can buy a foal anytime. Now I also have an arabian filly, and maybe someday I will breed her if she grows up as nice as she seems she will, and I can get her to prove herself as a performance horse. If I do breed her it would be much later in her years, and it would be so I could try to produce a talented foal such as herself(if she continues on the path she is now but who knows with yearlings).
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Actually an APHA registered horse crossed to a JC registered horse still gives you a very registerable APHA horse. APHA allows both Qhs, and TBs to be bred into the registration. If you check most paint horse pedigrees(probably including your mare) you will find many TBs in the mix, so that helps your options of having a registered foal.
Oh, duh. Haha.

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Here's my two cents, I think there is certainly still a market for well bred foals, but you better have one heck of a stallion and one heck of a mare to be competitive these days in such a crowded market. This year in the AQHA journal I noticed a lot of top stallions were giving away breedings or had huge incentives on them. These are not the people that bug me.

The people that bug me are the ones that are breeding without any thought to conformation or market value just because the horse is a pretty color, is really sweet, or they really want their kids or grandkids to see a baby. Almost all of these people don't seem to think of the what ifs, what if I get sick and can't keep my horse any more, how marketable is my walkaloosapaintmorgan with cow hocks, an ewe neck, and a back as long as California going to be? Just because you think your horse is pretty or sweet doesn't mean that the rest of the world is going to see it the same way.

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Well, we could always go back to duking it out over equine slaughter.

Or parrelli.

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What Lone said.
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Or parrelli.
True.

There are all sorts of things that get peoples' dander up.

Parelli, equine slaughter, rollkur, barefoot vs shod, vegan vs meat eaters, monotheism vs atheism, liberals vs conservatives, etc.......
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I love my "hybrid" dog. He is half beagle, half jack russel (jack beagle? Beaussle?) and he cost me a $50 donation from a rescue organization. He's a mutt, plain and simple, and he's lumpy and has extra toes, and I wouldn't trade him for the most expensive designer dog in the world.


Hahahahahahah! LMAO. I'm sorry, but the "he's lumpy and has a few extra toes" line just cracked me up!


I hate dogs being BYB more than horses. Although the labradoodle is a nice dog, I sure the heck not going to pay 700 for a mutt. I have a pure bred Black Mouth Curr, not registered, and guess what? I got her for free. The best Dog (her name) I could ask for. IDK why people are willing to shell out so much money for a dog when they can go get one that's already vaccinated, spayed or nuetured, and socialized for about 75 bucks from the spca?

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What Lone said.

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