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post #21 of 42 Old 04-16-2013, 03:23 PM
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Looking at the mare, she appears brown and not bay.
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Looking at the mare, she appears brown and not bay.
pretty sure she is bay.. no?

Here is a summer pic of her

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Nope she's brown. See how even in the summer she is still really light along the butt and stifle area? That's some of the classic indicators of brown. So are the heavy lighter to darker seasonal changes. that means her foals are brown as well from the EEaa stud. Love it!

ETA Brown (At) is a variation of agouti as well as bay (A) is a variation of agouti.
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Nope she's brown. See how even in the summer she is still really light along the butt and stifle area? That's some of the classic indicators of brown. So are the heavy lighter to darker seasonal changes. that means her foals are brown as well from the EEaa stud. Love it!

ETA Brown (At) is a variation of agouti as well as bay (A) is a variation of agouti.
K so i have apparently learned this wrong all these years? i thought the deciding factor of bay vs brown was black points. she has black mane and tail, black legs and black rimmed ears??

I have a brown one here who i would call for sure brown. no black points at all on body except for mane and tail
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brown colt (so i think)

Brown colt with dam who i think is also brown...

and the same mare we are talking about .. who looks bay to me?


This photo is march/early april... in the sun over summer she actually gets pretty dark... i cant find any lat season pix of her though
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also.. aphc has her registered as a bay. Just trying to figure out the difference.
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Just want to say I love that BadAss Brown baby!
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K so i have apparently learned this wrong all these years? i thought the deciding factor of bay vs brown was black points. she has black mane and tail, black legs and black rimmed ears??

I have a brown one here who i would call for sure brown. no black points at all on body except for mane and tail
Seal brown, as it is called, has black points just like a bay...the only real visual difference between a brown and a dark bay is the lighter areas a brown has.

As an aside, I would venture to guess 90% of brown Appys are registered as bays...
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also.. aphc has her registered as a bay. Just trying to figure out the difference.
A registered color doesn't mean they are that color genetically. My mom registered a foal as a black and the filly genetically is brown, after a few years of pestering my mom, she had the papers changed to being registered as a black bay.

The agouti gene modifies the black, and there are three types of agouti and each has distinguishing features. It can be hard to tell which agouti is present on the foal unless you know the agouti the parents have. Browns are great at disguising as a bay, the tell tale proof is in their winter coat when they get light coloration on their soft spots.

Here is a colt born last spring:

He was registered as bay (agouti came from his heterogyzous grey chestnut based dam). Then he grew his winter coat, and all his soft spots were very light while the rest of him was very dark.


So, another case of a genetically brown horse being registered as bay. Hope that helps explain that registration is unreliable for color
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