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    04-20-2009, 08:39 AM
Of course there is no way every foal is going to be a grand champion. If it was that easy we would all have a pasture full of them.

The thing is though if I do produce a foal on the lesser end of my goal then I DO NOT REPEAT THAT CROSS.

I think there is a semantics issue here too. Better the breed is not the same as change the entire breed.

I breed small equine (miniature horses, shetland ponies and mini/shetland crosses) My goal was to get better necks and heads along with a nice big hip as I feel those are some of the biggest issues with small equine. I do feel that we are slowly accomplishing that goal. Its not something that happens overnight and takes years of hard work. I feel that last year was the best foals we have ever produced and hoping this year is even better.

Over the years I have taken a lot of heat form stricly mini breeders for doing the shetland/miniature cross. But I am doing what I think is best and it doesnt matter to me if I hear the grumblings.

Here are a some of what we have produced

Baxters Just Teasin Ya Miniature horse/Shetland pony

Baxters Silver Sensation Miniature Horse/Shetland Pony

Baxters Black Intimidator Shetland pony

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    04-20-2009, 10:23 AM
I agree with you weefoal if a breeding does not turn out the desired foal then it wouldn't be right to repeat it. I also would like to add you mentioned what you feel is the biggest challenge in minis/small ponies I think that is the key to it all. Everyone has opinions and what one person strives for may not always be what someone else is looking for if it were you wouldn't catch heat from other breeders. It by far doesn't make it wrong what you do, in fact those are some stunning pictures :)
So I see it as it isn't a problem with what you do, it is a problem with others not being able to accept anything that doesn't meet their idea of what a horse should look like etc. If a horse can do the job in which it was intended and excel at it then you have done your job.
    04-20-2009, 10:30 AM
Close2prt that's always been my contention why should anyone care if they don't like what another person breeds? If the breeder is happy with it that's all that matters.
    04-20-2009, 10:49 AM
Originally Posted by twogeldings    
As a horseperson, I always get kind of a sense of pride when I see breeders who advertise something like '17 World Champions'. They have bettered the breed by producing horses good enough to make it to the top. They worked hard and bred careful.
BUT - it also takes money and time to campaign a horse. When you don't have to take vacation time to head to a show three states over to try and get points on your horse and eat mac and cheese for a month, it's much easier to get points on a horse to qualify to make a world champion.

I am not faulting those who have money and time. Merely pointing out a fact.
    04-20-2009, 11:00 AM
Originally Posted by mls    
BUT - it also takes money and time to campaign a horse.

Exactly one of my points. Either the buyer or breeder needs to take that good foal and actually be in a position to show it to its full potential. This does not happen as often as people think it does and many good foals go unrecognized and therefore do not help the reputation of the stallion or breeder.

And what about those people that change the name of the foal (esp in those that carry a part of the breeders farm name).

Then there are events that NEVER state the breeding of a winning horse. Go to Spruce Meadows and while they say what breed it is you haven't a clue who the sire/dam is. It is a shame that they couldn't take the time to put in at least who sired the winner (in case someone wanted to breed).

I could go on as this is a pet peeve of mine.
    04-20-2009, 01:15 PM
Originally Posted by weefoal    
Here are a some of what we have produced
Wow, weefoal! They are lovely! If I decide to get a mini I'll get one from you!
    04-20-2009, 02:41 PM
Thank you so much Kittenval!! That means a lot to me. Its been a lot of years of hard work and heartbreaking decisions to get to this point.

It does cost a lot of money to promote and show horses we have produced. We are just a very small farm but we feel its important to get ours out there and make sure that the judges agree that we are producing superior horses. Believe me we have made a lot of sacrifices to be able to show our horses. But in the end its worth it

As to the miniature breeders that grumble about mine being shetland/miniature. Do you think for one minute if I was not able to beat them in the show ring they would care what I breed??? You only hear grumbles if you are winning. Please don't take that as me being egotistical but its the truth. If my shetland/minis were losing they wouldnt waste their time grumbling about them

The thing is (at least for miniatures and shetlands) they are constantly evolving. Years ago all that mattered was that you bred the smallest horse possible and conformation was thrown out the window. Now we known better and are constantly trying to improve on the conformation and take the emphasis off small size. So if you can't evolve and keep your mind open you end up at a stand still producing horses that people no longer want
    04-20-2009, 03:00 PM
I agree with kitten if I was to ever get a mini..I'd get one from weefoal
    04-20-2009, 04:03 PM
Originally Posted by weefoal    
It does cost a lot of money to promote and show horses we have produced. We are just a very small farm but we feel its important to get ours out there and make sure that the judges agree that we are producing superior horses. Believe me we have made a lot of sacrifices to be able to show our horses. But in the end its worth it
I'm sure you are taking all ribbons in ring! All of them (especially the grey one) are very elegant looking!
    04-20-2009, 04:09 PM
For me, bettering the breed doesn't really have to do with CHANGING the breed. I think the opening post was taking it a bit literally. Maybe instead of saying "bettering the breed" we should say "keep the breed alive" for me, you want to breed your foals to be good representations of the breed.

Take for example thoroughbreds. They are not being bred to stay sound right now. They are getting bred to go faster but not to hold up under the conditions they run in. Sure, there are tons of other variables, but for the sake of this conversations, that is the one I would like to focus on. Instead of breeding for this, I would rather sacrifice a bit of speed to start breeding for long term sound horses.

When you cross a stallion and mare that do not compliment each other, you run a larger risk of having a poorly put together foal. So to avoid this, I would say you are "bettering" the breed if you try and get a well put together horse. This way, regardless of if you jump, pleasure ride, cut cows, whatever, it will remain sound.

Obviously, you are not going to want the same thing in an arabian than in a quarter horse...but you can still try and better even your discipline by breeding for well put together foals.

I kind of rambled..but hopefully that makes sense.

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