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post #1 of 18 Old 07-06-2011, 07:21 AM Thread Starter
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A bit of fun - Picking Stallions!

My first, mammoth post just got eaten by the computer .

So here we go again.

I plan to breed my mare in the future. I always have a long list of stallions I like in my head - I avidly follow results and general information on new/upcoming stallions, well, any ASH horses. This is a place for me to show you guys stallions I might pick for my mare, and see what you think, and wether they would compliment her/suit my goals. I have never bred before so any and all information I can soak in now will be helpful!

I won't be breeding Lucy for a few years, at least, and breeding is contingent on her proving herself in the show ring and staying sound (And me deciding the risk is acceptable - Still not sure on that one!).

Lucy is a 14.1h ASH mare, 4yo. You will have to take my word on her bloodlines - Good, well known sire line proven to work cattle well, and a hardy mountain horse dam line. She has a fantastic temperament.

Conformation wise, I generally like her. I do have slight things I would try to improve on though. I would aim for a bit more substance, length and shape to her neck. Really a bit more substance overall, especially the shoulder and hindquarter, and bone in the legs. I also would like to shorten her body up a little bit, and a slightly finer head.

This is Lucy:





On to the boys. All are registered ASH so the foal will be studbook registered. Foal will be used for ASH showing and campdrafting - think working cow horse type manouvers and skills but two handed in a more english frame. All boys are well bred.

1. Glen Lee Rivoli Ray Tech. Extensive show record. Only horse to win every available supreme title at the nationals in 2002. Progeny winning also. 14.3h.

Only a link for him.

2. Talisman Fiddler. Taller than the others at 15.3h. Successful at ASH shows when younger, now doing dressage and eventing.





His page here.

3. Silverthorn Shotgun. Was badly injured as a yearling but is now showing sound. Have followed this guy for a while now, not sure what it is that appeals to me but I just like him. I've met him in real life.



His page here.

4. Waylon J Justice. From my favourite sire line. Not proven as a working horse but 100% proven as a show horse, progeny as well.



His page here.

5. Jarendan Just Is. Only a young horse, but doing great in the ring. A son of the above Waylon J Justice.



His page here.

6. Cadabra. Same sire line as Waylon J Justice but more experience and success as a working horse. Just came back from a stint in Canada showing in Working Cow Horse.

His page here.

7. Ervines Rollex. Another who was very successful in futurities/maturities.

His page here.

8. Luckenough Baseline. Only new to showing, but a nice type.

He is the pally on this page.

That will do for now :]

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post #2 of 18 Old 07-06-2011, 09:14 AM
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Well your mare looks to be a bit downhill so you'd want to breed to a stallion that isn't. I think the front on Justice is DIVINE and I love his bum (slight goose rump, GREAT for jumping) but he looks a bit downhill. Same with his son. The horse above Justice (was it Shotgun?) is nice, looks to be a balanced type and has a lovely front half. Not quite as nice as Justice's front but close.
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I don't know anything about ASH, but for some reason I like Silverthorn Shotgun the best.
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Shotgun made my eyes bulge out of my head when I skittered by. He has an unbelievable presence, and just beautiful sleek and virtually flawless conformation. However, I do tend to lean towards the lighter built horses - a couple of the studs have necks and builds so thick, and yet would likely suit well to your lighter built mare.

I find Shotgun has all you want, plus that WOW factor. Jarendan is my second choice, again, I also find he has everything plus WOW factor. Very athletically built, very agile looking with good hind ends made for working.

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This is a yearling by Shotgun, Son of a Gun:



I a bit the same, MM - I like the lighter built horses, however Lucy is ajust a little too light for my liking - Perhaps because she is so small!

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After looking at the studs I think I like Waylon J Justice for your mare. He has good substance that I notice he passes onto his foals.
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I think I have to change my mind and agree with Crossover. While I love the builds and look of both Shotgun and Jarenden, I somehow missed that Waylon is the sire of Jarenden. I think the fact that I am SO impressed with Jarendan says more about his sire then it does about the colt.

Combined with how light your mare is, and how heavyset Waylon is, it looks like you could be set up to produce something that looks more similar to Jarendan as opposed to using him and getting a much lighter built horse.

However, I am also beyond impressed with the Shotgun yearling. It would be interesting to see the types of mares they're being used on so we could more definitively see what they're prone on producing with lighter set mares.

I agree, your mare is divine but at 14.1hh and being so light, I imagine you have a much more restricted market for any potential sale of her or her foals as working horses.

And yet again, I am absolutely 110% in love with ASH. I am moving there. They remind me of Quarter Horse Arab crosses with every single good thing about each breed and none of the faults. Just breathtaking animals, every one of them.

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Jarendan Just Is is out of a predominantly TB mare, by Justice. Headshot of the mare:



Justice, and his dad Bryjen Fort Talon (Who I am also considering, there are just no photos of him anywhere to put up!) have both been used a lot over TB/Arab/Riding pony mares to produce show hacks. I'll try find some photos.

Justice over this mare:



Produced this:



Justice over this mare:



Produced this stunning filly:



Found one of Bryjen Fort Talon - Justice's dad:


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The mares Shotgun has been put over are generally quite fine types - They are all heritage bred ASH mares and the ones I met when I visited were all relatively slight.

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Lol! Trust me, as with any breed, there are still lots of duds. I just picked out the best :] But yep, in general, they are awesome!

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I do think that Justice or Bryjen (Both Abdul bred) will have a better chance of throwing the typey neck that I much prefer.

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