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post #11 of 25 Old 12-19-2011, 09:22 PM Thread Starter
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I'm not in it for the money or the showing or the training for show in my paints, I did just that for my Icelandics but the are a whole different ball game I imported a mare from Iceland with a first prized sire, got a colt from the highest evaluated domestic stud. The paints are really just for fun, I know my studs potential, he's got babies out there in the show ring doing well, barrel babies winning, cutting babies, granted they may be local and regional shows and rodeos but they are still winning. I understand what your saying, and I don't plan on breeding much, because 1. Of the market, 2. My studs getting older, it's almost time to retire him to just being a pleasure only trail horse, 3. I live pretty rural it's an hour drive just to go to the store. 4. I don't have very many years left that I'll be able to ride and enjoy my horses. 5. I'm looking in to doing equine therapy, and pretty sweet friendly babies do wonders on working with kids.
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post #12 of 25 Old 12-20-2011, 09:26 AM
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The SHEZAOBVIOUSDIVA mare's pedigree would give the locals a heart attack even though she is HYPP/NN, but then again, there aren't too many halter people around here.
Out of curiosity, why would that be? Are the locals around you stupid, or just ignorant? If she is N/N, then HYPP is a non issue, and Impressive's progeny have a remarkably successful record in many disciplines...
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Faceman, I'm not sure, but horses with Impressive on their papers can hardly be given away around here. The name is enough to turn folks away instantly unless they are looking for a gelding. That is, unless the gelding has small feet, and then he'd be turned away, too. It's about resale value and usability beyond halter because halter horses aren't popular here. I wouldn't call it stupid, just a reaction to the market. What sells here won't necessarily sell well somewhere else and visa versa. :)
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If you want to do equine therapy, I'd find some well broke babysitter horses rather than breed. Just my opinion, though. :)
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Faceman, I'm not sure, but horses with Impressive on their papers can hardly be given away around here. The name is enough to turn folks away instantly unless they are looking for a gelding. That is, unless the gelding has small feet, and then he'd be turned away, too. It's about resale value and usability beyond halter because halter horses aren't popular here. I wouldn't call it stupid, just a reaction to the market. What sells here won't necessarily sell well somewhere else and visa versa. :)
It's that way in a lot of places - ignorant people not wanting Impressive in the bloodline even if the horse is N/N. While one might not want a halter bloodline if one is doing endurance such as I did, once again, Impressive horses have excelled in many disciplines other than halter. The bloodline is one of the best there is. Of course ignorant is ignorant - not much you can do about that. That still doesn't explain why they would be "shocked" though...why would someone be shocked at someone else's bloodline - especially if it was a good bloodline?
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*shrugs* I've talked to people who won't touch one with a ten foot pole because they don't sell. One look at the pedigree and they won't even go look. A horse that has Impressive on more than one line would give them the heebie jeebies. I don't see a problem as long as the horse is N/N, but that's the way it is for some folks, I guess. We had a mare with Impressive a ways back on her pedigree. She was a rescue we took out of a very bad home. She sold out of state after we got her in good shape and broke her to ride. Nice mare.
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post #17 of 25 Old 12-20-2011, 01:00 PM Thread Starter
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I already have some of those.
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I have to say I agree totally with mrhareiner advice, I spent a fortune on foundation bred mares, daughter & granddaughters of King, Sugar Bars,Whimpy, Bert, Grey Badger,Clabber Bar,Oklahoma Star, Pat Star Jr. Leo,Poco Pine, Poco ,Stearns Bar king, Top Deck and bred all of them to Sons of Two Eyed Jack, Watch Joe Jack and Zan Par Bar, these foals where cow bred performance,halter,pleasure and did very well at the breed shows, and most of them were sold for $250.00 -$500.00 there just was no money to even break even on the cost of rasing the foals,and I didn't have to spend money on stud fees as these stallions were mine.
My father gave me advise as a young girl and I remember those words to this day: If you want to go broke: Buy a horse! How true those words were, of course I didn't take the advice and bought 42 mares and 7 stallions when I got older, my foals didn't bring any more money than a backyard bred grade foal.....
I bred for Quality, and always bred to improve what I already had, that is what breeding is all about.
I got out of the breeding back in 2000, yes, I still have 5 horses 3 mares & 2 geldings and 160 acres they have it all but 40 acres.
No more breeding here..............
Good Luck
As for Paints that Fad is about over......

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post #19 of 25 Old 12-23-2011, 09:12 PM Thread Starter
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I have many of those lines also in my Paints as well as Hancock, and Doc Bar. I don't know if the paint fad is slowing or not here, I know I have been getting alot of interest in my Icelandic lately, mostly from older people who are just getting into riding or getting in to it again after several years. They want smaller horses that are easy to get on and off and can carry an adult.
Your grandfather is right, with the market what it is there is no way to make a profit.
Like I said in an earlier post I won't be doing it much longer, it getting to hard on me I can't buck hay like I used to.
All my stock are started to ride but 3 mares and 4 weanling, the Shezaobivousdiva because of her front leg being crooked, one Icelandic is too young until this summer, and another young mare that I rescued which will be started this spring. I usually start them as 2 1/2 year olds, Icelandics at 4 1/2, get them really good on the trails, then send them to a trainer at 4. My trainer tells me what they are good at goes from there. He does the heavy training, starts them on cows, and ropes off them. The temperament of all my horses including my studs are dog gentle and love people, the kind that make great kids horses, which is very important to me, not that I let kids ride the studs alone but I know they won't get stomped or bitten or kicked by them. My young grandkids are always out in the pens with the horses, and help me foal out and imprint the babies when they are born. The babies get handled everyday, played with by the kids, which makes them much easier to handle and train when they get older.
My first crop of Paints will be hitting the ground this spring and if I don't get what I was looking for I'll retire the stud and just ride him. Then just concentrate on my Icelandics for breeding.
My scale is no where as big as your is I have 18 horse, 2 Icelandic studs, 2 grade mares 1 was a recent rescue, 3 Icelandic mares, 1 AQHA mare, 1 paint gelding, 1 paint stud, 4 paint mares, 4 icelandic cross weanling fillies, all the weanling are gaited. The crosses make great versatile horses, they have more size, strong, hearty, surefooted, friendly horses. And if the bottom really falls out I can always sell them for meat to Japan. NO that's a JOKE, but that's where alot of Icelandic horses in Iceland end up they sell the meat to Japan. Yes there is a big market for it.
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I wish you all the luck in what you are doing.
I know where I live I am sitting in the middle of Arabian Country,hard to market any other breed here.
I do have a friend down the road that breeds paints, she used to have 21 mares and 1 stud, all Painted Robin Sonny Dee Bar( both paint & quarter horse lines) breeding, she is down to 6 mares now and her stud, most of her foals went to Canada or Florida.
The 7 stallions I owned were all pastured together,same pecking order as the 42 mares, my 3 daughters at the time the youngest 7 yrs. Old bred her POA mare 4 times to the Sr. Stud on her own, Temperment is very inportant as well as Conformation. My oldest & youngest daughters now ride and compete with 5 gaited Saddlebreds, far cry from western riding which they grew up with.
When I retire (soon) I would like to use my place as a retirement farm for Draft Horses and afew Standardbreds,my first horse was a pacer I had him for 27 yrs. Got him as a coming 3 yr. Old.
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