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post #21 of 56 Old 04-23-2013, 08:50 AM
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Meh he would be nicer as a gelding imo. I swear his colour is the only reason he is a stallion. There are much nicer reining stallions out there. His front end is just very yuck.

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post #22 of 56 Old 04-23-2013, 11:03 AM
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Yeah, he is narrow across his front. My mare is downhill a bit and she can stop on a dime. I've seen sooooo many downhill reiners and cow horses, some very very proven show horses.
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post #23 of 56 Old 04-23-2013, 01:16 PM
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Meh he would be nicer as a gelding imo. I swear his colour is the only reason he is a stallion. There are much nicer reining stallions out there. His front end is just very yuck.
That's very often the case with cremellos. They are bred because of color and color alone.

trainerunlimited, IMO downhill is still a fault in conformation, and breeding to a downhill horse simply for a bloodline is not something I would ever intentionally do. There HAS been an increase in downhill QH and APHA horses, and it makes my head hurt. I really hope this is not becoming the new trend. Some horses may be showing well even downhill, but thats IN SPITE of it, not because if it.

This studs feet also do not look great, from the pictures on his FB. Whether that's due to poor trimming or genetics, I don't know.

In the end though, it's the OP's decision, so if she is happy with the cross, then I wish her the best.

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post #24 of 56 Old 04-23-2013, 04:03 PM Thread Starter
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He is an NRHA money earner. And he is being actively shown. But really its a moot point. No matter what I will say " He was bred to because of his color" so I truly have nothing more to say. I signed a contract and to me that is binding.
I think truly my greatest regret is sharing my news. I didn't think much of anything could take my excitement away. I think I will be excited by myself. But that is my fault for sharing it on a public forum. Silly me.
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post #25 of 56 Old 04-23-2013, 04:13 PM
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I didn't say you bred to him because of his colour. I said the stallion owner kept him a stallion because of his colour.

I'm sorry but his front end is a disaster and had he been a bay, his owners would have gelded him.

Regardless of that, I still wish you the best with your mare and the breeding and I hope the foal is what you want it to be. I'm sorry if I offended you.
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post #26 of 56 Old 04-23-2013, 05:40 PM Thread Starter
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When I bred pebbles last year it cost me 2k with the stud fees ai and shipping. It is not a cheap process. I asked several people into reining and everyone had nothing but good to say about him. Not a single person I talked to said anything negative.
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post #27 of 56 Old 04-23-2013, 10:34 PM
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Congrats, I love cremellos!

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post #28 of 56 Old 04-23-2013, 11:01 PM
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He is an NRHA money earner. And he is being actively shown. But really its a moot point. No matter what I will say " He was bred to because of his color" so I truly have nothing more to say. I signed a contract and to me that is binding.
I think truly my greatest regret is sharing my news. I didn't think much of anything could take my excitement away. I think I will be excited by myself. But that is my fault for sharing it on a public forum. Silly me.
And this is why there is that warning that you had to agree to post this thread. Breeding is very controversial on this site.
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post #29 of 56 Old 04-24-2013, 02:59 AM
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They don't understand color genetics, which is obvious from their most recent Facebook post... Cremello isn't a gene, it is being homozygous for cream (2 copies of cream and will pass 1 copy to every foal) and on a chestnut/sorrel base. Perlino is also homozygous cream but on a bay based horse. Smokey cream is also homozygous cream but on a black based horse.

To get a buckskin, you need 3 ingredients: at least one black gene, at least one agouti gene and only 1 cream gene. Mix well and you get a buckskin

Your mare is sorrel/chestnut (homozygous red, chestnut and sorrel are genetically the same) and carries no black (black is dominant and does not hide) but may carry agouti which hides on red based horses because it only modifies the black gene (making black horses bay or brown instead of black).

If this cremello stallion has produced buckskin foals with sorrel/chestnut mares, he is perlino not cremello. If his owners tell you that you have a 10% chance of a buckskin foal, they clearly don't understand genetics. A cremello bred to a sorrel will produce a palomino 100% of the time. If he was color tested and the owners got back the results that he is truely a cremello with an agouti gene, the only way he could get a buckskin foal is if he is bred to a mare that threw in a black gene.

Sorry you lost excitement by sharing the news, but don't let that keep you away. This is an open forum with many horse lovers with all kinds of experience, education and background. Some things that are said are opinion and/or experience based while other posts are for your education as an aid to help you grow and learn. No one can stop you from breeding, but it is a highly debated topic. We all want to share our love of horses, and sometimes certain topics (like breeding) can bring out the worst. Breeding is dangerous, when things go wrong, they go very wrong and there may be little to nothing you can do to prevent the loss of either mare or foal, sometimes both mare and foal are lost. There are things to consider in choosing a stallion, his strengths need to build on your mare's weaknesses and vise versa because no horse is without flaws and we want to better our odds in the breeding gamble. When breeding 2 horses with the same weaknesses, you are duplicating weaknesses instead of trying to make improvements. Read and learn, discover and explore, listen and then chose what you want to gain from your experience.
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post #30 of 56 Old 04-24-2013, 12:26 PM
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Life isn't about cheering all the time. If you post such news on a PUBLIC forum, you inevitably open yourself up to critique. If you just want a cheering squad, tell your friends and family, not hundreds of strangers with educated eyes and opinions.
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