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    01-15-2009, 07:11 PM
You should also make sure that those type of ponies are generally selling in your area. We are in Spruce Meadows valley and ponies not to long ago were huge and still are but the market is so dead that even the purebreds are not selling at all. The market is at a complete standstill.
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    01-15-2009, 08:52 PM
Wow, thanks for all of the input from everyone. Allow me to address some of your individual comments and questions…

Welshy, my dear Panache is indeed registered! ^_^ Her registered name is Gallod Rhosyn Goch. Is Gallod a prefix you’re at all familiar with?... purely curiosity on my part.

CacheDawnTaxes, in regards to your question, I am indeed prepared to keep the foal. In fact, that’s my intent. I want to keep the resulting foal as my next riding horse and would only be selling in the most dire of situations. This is not a business type venture in any way.

Supermane, the the pony in my avvie is the pony of which we speak :). I’ve posted some more pictures of her at the following link:

Wild spot, you asked about her flaws and seeing whether Rhodri would balance them… as biased as it sounds, I really can’t see anything glaringly wrong with her. I’d love outside opinions though. The link to pictures is above, anyone is encouraged to critique her. The only thing I might like in the foal is for it to be a smidge taller than she is. With Rhodri being 15.2, it seems as though I’d have some chance of getting a bit more size.
    01-16-2009, 09:47 AM
Yeh i've heard the Gallod prefix before they used to be based in Wales but they emigrated to Canada a while back they have some really gorgeous ponies!

And can I ask whether your mare has had foals before? I mean is this her first?

And she's gorgeous!! I love the pics where she's dressed up i'm amazed she'll let you put all that stuff on her!

If she's breed to Rhodri and all goes well you should have a foal that falls into the Welsh Cob sec D bracket, so the foal should when full grown be about a hand bigger than it's mummy.
    01-16-2009, 09:58 AM
She's had a foal before this. I've got a pic of them together somewhere. It's definitely been a while though. She hasn' had a foal while we've owned her.

I'm glad that you like her! She is definitely wonderful, letting us torture her so every Halloween. ^_^ She just sort of puts up with it. It's actually a good de-sensitizing actvity. We usually bring out pieces of the costume over the week before and try it out on her to make sure she's fine with it... which she usually is after checking it out.

Section D is the goal. ;D
    01-16-2009, 03:10 PM
Out of curiosity, do people often mangle Welsh names? I've heard Americans (and the English) mess up the very simple 'Bryn Mawr', before - I imagine Gallod Rhosyn Goch, with the ll, rh, ch and Welsh o must get pretty messed up by some speakers!
    01-16-2009, 03:39 PM
If you plan on keeping the horse then the breeding should be what what you prefer tho my initial view remains the same and say you will get better value by breeding to get a purebred.
    01-16-2009, 07:06 PM
Claireauriga, unfortunately I'm pretty sure that even I can't reliably pronounce her name. >_< We just call her Panache for short or 'Nache' for really short. It has nothing to do with her registered name but we can say it and it's way better than the nickname she used to have: Pinky... ugh.

If there was some way you could teach me to say her name that would be cool, but I'm really not sure. Maybe I should go try and find a Welsh class somewhere...

In any case, I think I'll be emailing Nebo Rhodri's owner soonish and trying to find out his fee (which is somewhat inconveniently left out of his webpage).
    01-16-2009, 07:57 PM
Well, I can give you a few tips!

First of all, Welsh is very sing-song. So get up a nice rhythm between each syllable, take your time with them.

Ll, rh and ch are all letters in their own right in Welsh.
Ll is a funny sound - sort of a weird mix of l and sh. Put your tongue up against the roof of your mouth and breath out!
Rh is quite simple, you just go hhrrrhhh. Roll your r and aspirate it a lot.
Ch is a similar sound to Bach or loch. I am so good at saying phrases like 'chwech o'gloch' when I'm full of phlegm!

Something that's difficult to describe, though, is the sound 'o' makes in Welsh. You make your mouth and lips very round, and it's somewhere in between oh and or (in a British accent - stay well away from 'flat' American aahhhs!). Take your time, make it a nice long vowel. This one's really hard to explain except by example. It's not exactly necessary but it makes the words sound so much better.

So Gallod Rhosyn Bach would be like this:

Gallod - gall-llod, with the ll sound. Slight emphasis on first syllable, perhaps.
Rhosyn - rhoss-in, with the rh sound and emphasis on the first syllable.
Goch - goch, with the ch sound.

Now, most English people would have the os as straight forward British-sounding os - rhyming with top or pot or whatever. Pott, not paahhht. But it's better if it's got the nice round o sound.

Do you know what the name means? Callod is the stem of a bean, potato or grass (dunno why it's mutated), rhosyn is rose, and coch is red (again, dunno if it's supposed to be mutated or not).

Welsh is a very easy to read language, once you know what the letters are supposed to sound like. There's no weird combinations like in English tough or whatever - the letters always sound the same no matter where they are in the word. The hard part is learning the sounds that are so different to English ones!
    01-17-2009, 03:48 AM
Wow, thanks for all of the detailed descriptions! I'll definitely be sitting at the computer making random noises over and over again trying to get the hang of it as my dogs watch me worriedly. I knew that the Rhosyn Goch meant something akin to red rose, but I wasn't sure what the Gallod was... interesting to learn about it! I'll have to come to you when it comes to naming any future foal. I think it appropriate that the baby have a name true to its Welsh roots!
    01-18-2009, 08:20 AM
^^^ I was doing the same-my son thinks I am weird (of course he does).

Lovely mare and I love the idea of a section D

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