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  • Breeding a mare at 3 yrs old
  • Warmblood breeding-breeding a 3 year old to have a baby at 4

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    02-27-2012, 10:09 PM
  #61
Trained
The true value of a mare or a stallion is not in their "show record" but in what they can produce.
As Faceman has pointed out only those who are ignorant of breeding practices have a problem with this topic. To prove a mare you have to BREED her. Breeding a 3 year old mare does no long term harmful damage to a mare. Period.
Of the 21 mares that I own only 5 of them have not been bred me or my family.
I just purchased an Arabian stallion who is 15 becuase of the foals I have seen that he has sired. I purchased him becuase he will cross well on the mares that I own not the other way around. Has he ever set foot in an arena? No. After seeing the foals that he produced on a wide variety of mares he is well worth his price.
Breeding a horse is not a crime nor should it be. If done right it will produce a good quality animal. Shalom
     
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    02-28-2012, 06:35 PM
  #62
Foal
It's interesting to keep in mind that within the top Warmblood breeders world-wide, the most common saying is "Breed the best and ride the rest". I want my mares reproducing themselves or better to improve my stock, and improve the breed.

The earliest I have bred is 4, but it has been scientificaly proven multiple times that breeding a mare at 3 does not cause any negative affects. It does not "stunt" the mare, doesn't break down her joints, doesnt make her a broken down nag... as with any other pregnant mare, she will require proper feeding and maintenance to be sure that she carries her foal and remains healthy.
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    02-28-2012, 07:32 PM
  #63
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Originally Posted by Rumonek    
It's interesting to keep in mind that within the top Warmblood breeders world-wide, the most common saying is "Breed the best and ride the rest". I want my mares reproducing themselves or better to improve my stock, and improve the breed.
True, and not only with warmbloods. My broodmares were ridden enough initially to determine they had the ability, but after that I always pampered my broodmares like they were queens, and didn't ride them for fear of injuries, because I don't subscribe to breeding unsound mares. Good broodmares are few and far between and are worth their weight in gold...
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    02-28-2012, 10:24 PM
  #64
Foal
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Originally Posted by Faceman    
True, and not only with warmbloods. My broodmares were ridden enough initially to determine they had the ability, but after that I always pampered my broodmares like they were queens, and didn't ride them for fear of injuries, because I don't subscribe to breeding unsound mares. Good broodmares are few and far between and are worth their weight in gold...
I am the exact same way. I purchased one of my mares to be my show mount. Now that I've seen what she can produce, she's staying a broodmare and just a "for my pleasure" horse. She was in race training when I purchase her. (Arabian)

I have a multi-champion (to the world level) EP and Halter mare that I now have completely retired to breeding. Just not worth giving up a year with what she can produce.
     
    02-29-2012, 01:25 PM
  #65
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Originally Posted by trainerunlimited    
One lady I rode a horse for last summer said she had a mare bred at two. The mare went into labor about a week after her due date out in the pasture and died with the foal still halfway inside her. I think it was due most likely to exhaustion. They didn't have a taxonomy done on either.
This could happen to any pregnant mare. I am of the belief that every foaling should be attended.......most of the times things go they way they should but when things go wrong quick action usually can save both the mare and foal.

From the reading I have done 3 seems to be the age that most start breeding their mares at........I personally don't have an issue with it as long as they are healthy, in good weight and growing well. I was also told from a breeder that if you breed them as they are turning 3 or 4 the pelvis is more elastic and makes for an easier birth which then helps with the foals that come later........if you wait till they are older all the muscles are much tighter so the first birth can be more difficult........this was certainly my experience with my mare she was breed at 9 and foaled at 10 but had a difficult birth.


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    02-29-2012, 02:07 PM
  #66
Foal
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Originally Posted by Faceman    
You are entitled to your opinion, but it is not based upon evidence or experience - merely speculation. There is no evidence breeding a 3 year old for a foal at 4 is detrimental in any way. It is certainly not "abuse" or "neglect" as you stated in your previous post, and most breeders would take exception to that statement.

I noticed the barrel racing pictures in your profile, and suggest you research the detrimental affects of barrel racing - specifically injuries and long term stress leading to arthritis, and compare them to the detrimental affects of breeding at 3 - if you can find any hard evidence at all. The results may surprise you and cause you to rethink your statements. Then again, perhaps not. However, I don't recall anyone saying you abuse your horse(s).

Not that I have anything at all against barrel racing...just saying you condone a discipline with documented detrimental affects, yet condemn 3 year old breeding with no definitive documentation of issues. That is an inconsistency in principles...
just because there is no " definitive documentation of issues" when breeding a three year doesn't in any way mean there are no serious physical risks you are taking. I really don't appreciate being "suggested" that I research barrel racing, I have been rodeoing and barrel racing my entire life and know dang well the risks it can have on a horse. Like I tell anyone that "suggests I research my chosen discipline" it relies heavily on the rider/trainer and their training capabilities and the means by which you choose to keep your horse both physically and mentally capable of enduring such stress. I could argue that same point with a jumper, horse racing, or any horse riding for that matter under a inexperienced rider. I simply state my opinion as do we all. But I want everyone to know that barrel racing is given a bad name by the people out there that hear stories in passing or "look it up online" and learn all the bad before the good. There are right ways and wrong ways, please keep that in mind...
     
    02-29-2012, 03:04 PM
  #67
Green Broke
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Calm down. The only reason he chose barrel racing is because it IS something you know about. If you'd had a jumping picture, he'd have chosen jumping. He's not bashing barrel racing, he's comparing your commentary to something you are familiar with to make the association easier.

There's a reason horses are fertile by 2 years old, and I honestly think that we know "better then nature" is absurd. Horses are meant to give birth, just like any animal. So any mare used as a broodmare is serving her specific function in the circle of life a lot better then a mare being ridden. Breeding as soon as they become fertile can be risky, but breeding at 3 for her to be 4 when she gives birth is extremely commonplace and no extra risks have ever been documented.

I mean, answer this then. Why breed a 4 year old then? How are we experts at the "magic number"? We all pretty much know a horse doesn't finish fully developing until about 7 years old. So by that, none of us should EVER breed or ride a horse before the age of 7. I think it's silly for anyone to assume they are the "expert opinion" on exactly when a horse is ready to be bred or ridden - we just don't know. We DO know, through extensive history, that no ill effects have been documented from breeding 3 year olds just as MOST 2 year olds broken in nicely will not come up unsound.
     
    03-04-2012, 02:33 PM
  #68
Foal
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Originally Posted by JustaSkippenJess    
just because there is no " definitive documentation of issues" when breeding a three year doesn't in any way mean there are no serious physical risks you are taking. I really don't appreciate being "suggested" that I research barrel racing, I have been rodeoing and barrel racing my entire life and know dang well the risks it can have on a horse. Like I tell anyone that "suggests I research my chosen discipline" it relies heavily on the rider/trainer and their training capabilities and the means by which you choose to keep your horse both physically and mentally capable of enduring such stress. I could argue that same point with a jumper, horse racing, or any horse riding for that matter under a inexperienced rider. I simply state my opinion as do we all. But I want everyone to know that barrel racing is given a bad name by the people out there that hear stories in passing or "look it up online" and learn all the bad before the good. There are right ways and wrong ways, please keep that in mind...
You are taking a "serious" risk breeding any age mare. Injury or even death to mare, foal, or both.
     

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