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    05-30-2012, 04:17 PM
  #11
Yearling
I'm in love with your mare. Gosh I love her color and her facial markings. I'm a sucker for a blue eye/eyed horse. Ugh. Wanna breed her back and sell me a foal?? Haha

What is that mantra? I don't need more horses, I don't need more horses...lol!
     
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    05-30-2012, 04:34 PM
  #12
Foal
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Originally Posted by DrumRunner    
Good looks do NOT make a good horse.. You may have the prettiest barrel horse ever but the ugly horse with great backing and talent will beat your pretty horse every time.

I understand you wanting to breed her.. Truly I do.. But there are way too many horses out there already that are better or can produce better than your mare. She is a very nice looking mare and she's built well..But looks aren't everything, conformation isn't everything, and you wanting a nice foal out of her will not make is a nice foal.. She hasn't done anything in her lifetime that screams "I need to be bred, I will produce a nice prospect"..She may pass on nothing but pretty, and even that's not guaranteed.. Then if she is registered with APHA you will not be able to register the foal with APHA or AQHA if you breed her to a Quarter Horse.. It will be a grade foal out of two unproven horses..

Honestly, take a step back and look at it through another's point of view.. If you were looking to buy a new prospect and came across this "would be" foal.. You would have a MAYBE nice looking grade foal, that came from two unproven horses...You'd keep looking wouldn't you?..I know I would.. and there is NO way to tell that you will be able to keep the foal it's entire life.. When breeding you want to think of the foal first, you want to give it the absolute best chance at life..The registered foal from two proven horses, great bloodlines, great looks, and the possibility of having the skills of the parents will sale WAY before the grade foal who may have potential.. Then there is also the other risks you're taking.. Are you prepared for the possibility that your mare may die whole foaling? The foal may die also.. Are you prepared to deal with complications? Vet bills? If the mare dies can you take 100% responsibility for the foal like feeding and such.. and in another thread of your's you have already had a foal this year and you're already having problems caused by neighbors coming onto the property and starting bad habits with the foal you already have.

I just don't think you're thinking about all of the facts of breeding.. It isn't just breeding two horses and hoping for a pretty baby.. Right now, at best from your mare and that stallion you're hoping for a pretty grade foal that may have the possibility of having good traits..That's it.
I completely understand what you are saying about getting "a pretty foal" and hoping it does well, I've heard it and said it a thousand times. By "best looking" I am referring to her structure/build, how it all ties in together. If she was solid sorrel or bay or green and (she does have) huge goofy nostrils and pathetic fluffy forelock. What I mean about the "uglies" I've seen in broodmares is not the color, was more referring to the steep steep shoulders and funky hip angles that I see alot of, even with the big breeders.
I'm not breeding for a grade foal, I am waiting on her AQHA papers. I am looking at everything from her structure/conformation, her AQHA papers (that I will be able to focus on more once I have them), mentality, so on. She has the papers, build, mentality to be a broodmare, just like all the other mares I've seen over the years on this board. I havent won a million on her due to her late start in life, but otherwise she is no different than the other nice mares on here.
Yes, I am prepared for the risks. I'm by no means a first time breeder. The mares I've bred before have all been race bred and I've already had my decision made on which stallions to cross on them. This is my first all cow bred mare I have considered breeding, and I want to be sure and pick the absolute best for her-- I know after all the stallions I've studied, someone else might have a suggestion on one that I have not even looked at yet.

Forgot to add on my last post, Thank you for pointing that out about ASNY !
     
    05-30-2012, 04:37 PM
  #13
Foal
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Originally Posted by DrumRunner    
Good looks do NOT make a good horse.. You may have the prettiest barrel horse ever but the ugly horse with great backing and talent will beat your pretty horse every time.

I understand you wanting to breed her.. Truly I do.. But there are way too many horses out there already that are better or can produce better than your mare. She is a very nice looking mare and she's built well..But looks aren't everything, conformation isn't everything, and you wanting a nice foal out of her will not make is a nice foal.. She hasn't done anything in her lifetime that screams "I need to be bred, I will produce a nice prospect"..She may pass on nothing but pretty, and even that's not guaranteed.. Then if she is registered with APHA you will not be able to register the foal with APHA or AQHA if you breed her to a Quarter Horse.. It will be a grade foal out of two unproven horses..

Honestly, take a step back and look at it through another's point of view.. If you were looking to buy a new prospect and came across this "would be" foal.. You would have a MAYBE nice looking grade foal, that came from two unproven horses...You'd keep looking wouldn't you?..I know I would.. and there is NO way to tell that you will be able to keep the foal it's entire life.. When breeding you want to think of the foal first, you want to give it the absolute best chance at life..The registered foal from two proven horses, great bloodlines, great looks, and the possibility of having the skills of the parents will sale WAY before the grade foal who may have potential.. Then there is also the other risks you're taking.. Are you prepared for the possibility that your mare may die whole foaling? The foal may die also.. Are you prepared to deal with complications? Vet bills? If the mare dies can you take 100% responsibility for the foal like feeding and such.. and in another thread of your's you have already had a foal last year and you're already having problems caused by neighbors coming onto the property and starting bad habits with the foal you already have.

I just don't think you're thinking about all of the facts of breeding.. It isn't just breeding two horses and hoping for a pretty baby.. Right now, at best from your mare and that stallion you're hoping for a pretty grade foal that may have the possibility of having good traits..That's it.

Sorry- I was referring more to overall structure and conformation, not necessarily color and if they have long pretty manes and sparkles.


EDITED to add-- oops, I didn't see my long post before and thought it got delted. Well here is the short version of that if you'd rather. LOL
     
    05-30-2012, 04:40 PM
  #14
Trained
There is no reason that mare cannot throw a good quality foal.
She definetly has the build to do so.
I think it would be avery good safe bet. Shalom
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    05-30-2012, 04:41 PM
  #15
Foal
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Originally Posted by ThirteenAcres    
I'm in love with your mare. Gosh I love her color and her facial markings. I'm a sucker for a blue eye/eyed horse. Ugh. Wanna breed her back and sell me a foal?? Haha

What is that mantra? I don't need more horses, I don't need more horses...lol!

LOL. You absolutely need more horses!!
     
    05-30-2012, 04:41 PM
  #16
Trained
Why didn't you get the papers when you got the mare and how long ago was that? Have you actually seen the papers or just going off someone's word that she is registered?
     
    05-30-2012, 04:42 PM
  #17
Green Broke
If you don't have her papers in hand and you're positive about what she is then okay..but I HIGHLY doubt she is registered with AQHA..I wouldn't mind being proven wrong though, especially if you are going to go ahead with the breeding.

Good conformation won't make a good horse either.. It takes all of the things listed combined to make a good horse..and even if the foal has good conformation and everything, it doesn't mean it will make a barrel horse.
     
    05-30-2012, 04:43 PM
  #18
Showing
I pretty much agree with Drumrunner. It would be a lot cheaper, easier, and faster to choose a prospect with proven parents already out there, especially here in Tx, where stock bred horses are literally a dime a dozen.

That being said, I like your mare, she has good angles and good substance. The worst thing about her is that she has a really long back. If you are truly set on breeding her, I would look for a stud with a back on the shorter side of ideal so that you would minimize your chances of ending up with a foal that has a long and weak back.

Now, keep in mind that I know nothing about barrel bloodlines, so I am basing my judgements on the horses below on their conformation and accomplishments only.

I like all these guys better than the pali stud that you posted.
Barrel Horse World

Barrel Horse World

High Ya Doin

Barrel Horse World

Barrel Horse World
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    05-30-2012, 04:43 PM
  #19
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbarabians    
There is no reason that mare cannot throw a good quality foal.
She definetly has the build to do so.
I think it would be avery good safe bet. Shalom

QUALITY! That is the word I was looking for. Thank you, I believe this mare has what it takes to produce a good quality foal, especially crossed on the perfect guy.
     
    05-30-2012, 05:01 PM
  #20
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by smrobs    
I pretty much agree with Drumrunner. It would be a lot cheaper, easier, and faster to choose a prospect with proven parents already out there, especially here in Tx, where stock bred horses are literally a dime a dozen.

That being said, I like your mare, she has good angles and good substance. The worst thing about her is that she has a really long back. If you are truly set on breeding her, I would look for a stud with a back on the shorter side of ideal so that you would minimize your chances of ending up with a foal that has a long and weak back.

Now, keep in mind that I know nothing about barrel bloodlines, so I am basing my judgements on the horses below on their conformation and accomplishments only.

I like all these guys better than the pali stud that you posted.
Barrel Horse World

Barrel Horse World

High Ya Doin

Barrel Horse World

Barrel Horse World
Thank you so much. She is long-backed. I have steered clear of my 2 favorite stallions because of that. I really like the horses you have picked out there.

As far as my mare, I guess my main point is that there are thousands of successful barrel and rodeo horses coming from ranches with broodmare bands that havent even been under saddle before, just have papers and not even outstanding conformation-- that's it.
Mine has proven herself to be very usefull in doing exactly what we've needed and asked of her on the ranch, with a great mind and attitude.
     

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