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    View Poll Results: Would you rather
    Breed 16 34.04%
    rescue 31 65.96%
    Voters: 47. You may not vote on this poll

     
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        12-22-2009, 12:46 PM
      #11
    Banned
    Just for the record I was talking about pulling from an auction not a rescue itself. But either case I guess its the same.

    Also wanted to add

    My 18 hand mare that I pulled out of the kill pen at 500 + lbs under weight is a amazing jumper. Never trained as a riding horse until I got her,

    The qh I rescued is a reining show horse now

    The morgan /tb I rescued is a schooling horse and the paint cross I rescued is a trail endurance horse. All 4 I pulled out on the same day same kill pen.

    I just want people to know GOOD AMAZING horses end up at the auction. But its a 50/50 shot. Some are lame some that are lame are suspensotory and not permanent . That qh I took had a huge open laceration to his hind stifle and he healed fine. Just has a diff. Pogmentaition when the scar is. He's still drop dead gorgeous. Im not 100% against breeding so to say but if its not for a good cause then I don't agree. As good cause can be 100 diff. Definitions.


    You can see my rescues on www.allforhorses.moogo.com =] if any one is interested that is hehe
         
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        12-22-2009, 01:16 PM
      #12
    Showing
    Barnprincess, your horses are gorgeous. I completely agree you may find a diamond among the rescues, but many people want to know upfront what they are getting. And I totally understand that too. With that being said both my horses came from not-so-good (really bad for paint) situations.
         
        12-22-2009, 01:18 PM
      #13
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
    barnprincess, your horses are gorgeous. I completely agree you may find a diamond among the rescues, but many people want to know upfront what they are getting. And I totally understand that too. With that being said both my horses came from not-so-good (really bad for paint) situations.
    every horse has a part that can be brought out in them . My big mare being a great example. I just get frustrated when I see all these people breeding and no ones buying right now and they end up at slaughter. Its not fair to the horse(s) . Most auctions tell you everything they were told when the horse was brought in. I got a story / history on all 4 of mine. You just have to ask ask ask ! My gf got a tb from there the same day as me and she got her jockey papers with her.
         
        12-22-2009, 01:54 PM
      #14
    Foal
    I don't have a problem with taking in a rescue horse, and I'm sure the standerdbred cross in my pasture is glad I took her in before she ended up at an auction, but in general, I wouldn't take a horse from a rescue farm for many reasons. The biggest reason I wouldn't is because the rescue barns in my area insist on maintaining ownership of the horse, even though they expect the person taking the animal to pay for everything for it... So I wouldn't technically own an animal I rescued... Not cool... If I have a horse on my property, he's either mine, or his owner is paying for his care....
         
        12-22-2009, 02:00 PM
      #15
    Banned
    Quote:
    The biggest reason I wouldn't is because the rescue barns in my area insist on maintaining ownership of the horse, even though they expect the person taking the animal to pay for everything for it... So I wouldn't technically own an animal I rescued... Not cool... If I have a horse on my property, he's either mine, or his owner is paying for his care....
    ALL rescues do that. I was particularly talking about from kill pens . Not adopting from rescues sorry about the confusion.
         
        12-22-2009, 02:09 PM
      #16
    Trained
    You may find a good horse at an auction. But 50/50 isn't the case if you want something to compete in high levels. Is it possible? Sure. But if you want your next FEI/NBHA, etc horse you're odds are better to either breed for it from proven mares and studs or to purchase a prospect that is bred for it.

    I am all for people rescuing horses. But there are certain times where rescuing is going to be (more often than not) a waste of time if you are looking for a certain caliber of horse.
         
        12-22-2009, 03:50 PM
      #17
    Foal
    I'm not against getting an auction horse, I'm sure there are horses out there that are good, and are just going to auction due to financial crisis, or some other circumstance.

    As for rescues, I think they would have better luck placing horses if they removed some of the restrictions involved with taking one....
         
        12-22-2009, 03:51 PM
      #18
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by skittle1120    
    I'm not against getting an auction horse, I'm sure there are horses out there that are good, and are just going to auction due to financial crisis, or some other circumstance.

    As for rescues, I think they would have better luck placing horses if they removed some of the restrictions involved with taking one....
    I will agree with this 100%.
         
        12-22-2009, 11:50 PM
      #19
    Weanling
    Rescue or breeding?
    I do a little of both.
    I do breed (0 to 4 foals a year, using a stallion who has sired res. World Champions and etc., and mares who are sired by champions/have produced champions in my breed). Out of the last 6 foals born here (over 3 breeding seasons), I have kept 2, and I know exactly where the other 4 went and still are.

    I also have saved a few horses over the years who were headed to a not so nice place and I was pretty much their last resort. A couple were very high quality mares that for reasons of injury-related unsoundness (not genetic weakness related) were not ridable and not so easy to find homes for as they were "niche" type mares as far as breeding choices, but they work for my program and I am willing to deal with their needs.

    Another was well trained mare who was a bad match for her owner, and who also cribbed like a son-of-a-gun, and her owner was dumping her-- I didn't feel she was breeding quality for what I was doing, but I got her and was able to re-sell her to a good responsible barn who is using her for schooling intermediate hunter/jumper students and they love her and could care less if she cribs.

    I also adopted 2 OTTB mares from CANTER (one would never be sound for riding, the other had an old chip in her knee and would probably be OK for flat work), had them for a couple of years, got them totally acclimated to life as pampered pasture puffs, bred them to my current stallion (who sires winners from that type of TB mare) and a few months ago sold them to another approved CANTER adopter for the price of the stud fees, happy to see them and the upcoming foals at a new sporthorse facility where they will get top care and the foals will be given every opportunity they are good enough to get.

    So, none of my "rescues" were from auctions-- they were all from private sellers/orgs-- three mares came from people I knew and/or had purchased from before, who called me specifically to see if I was interested in the horses as they knew I liked the type/bloodlines and they could be upfront with me about the mares' issues without turning me off.

    I adopted the first mare (the unsound one) from CANTER and a few weeks later they called me, wanting me to take the second mare thinking she would also be a good match (she was a 1/2 sister to the first mare.)

    Two of these mares (not the CANTER mares of course) were going to be donated to research (and eventual euthanization) and another was headed to a sale, if I didn't get them paid for and picked up ASAP. So, rescues they were, in that sense.

    Over the years I have also been contacted about horses I had either bred, or had once owned, that the owners could no longer care for or no longer wanted due to life changes or whatever, and if I couldn't help them find a buyer or suitable home, I have taken them back and re-homed them-- including one I had shipped from MN to MI and another I had shipped from AZ to MI.

    So.... do I choose breed or rescue?
         
        12-26-2009, 12:09 AM
      #20
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by barnprincess    
    every horse has a part that can be brought out in them . My big mare being a great example. I just get frustrated when I see all these people breeding and no ones buying right now and they end up at slaughter. Its not fair to the horse(s) .
    You are so full of BS. Just the other month you were talking and talking about how you just had to BREED your mare, and GOD FORBID you take in another rescue. Make up your mind and stop lieing!!!!

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    I know its christmas, but if I can be sick on christmas, I can be mean on christmas also.

    I'm all for rescueing horses in need, and breeding IF AND ONLY IF what your breeding will produce a decent foal.

    But what i'm NOT FOR? Lairs!! Geesh!
         

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