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        10-27-2013, 05:39 PM
      #11
    Foal
    She is a really cute little mare :)

    HmmI'm only going to throw my two cents in about the allergies/cough. Breeding her is completely up to you. You know her, and you know what she can and can't handle. I personally, don't think you should completely cross out breeding her just because of a suspected food allergy or seasonal allergy. But anytime you are thinking about bringing new life into this world, it should be thought about and weighed heavily!

    I mean people are allergic to all kinds of stuff, and they still make babies

    I would have her seen by a vet about the cough. Frequently (at least in the practice I work at) horses come through with just a mild dry cough. Generally we listen to their lungs and trachea, sometimes we pass an endoscope to check for mucous and things that could be causing the cough. If nothing appears to be out of the ordinary other than the cough, we put the horses on a light antibiotic and generally that fixes the problem if it's a chronic mild bacterial infection. If that doesn't work, we can assume that it's allergies...and normally we give them a steroid shot. That generally does the trick and they are back to being normal and completely functional performance/pleasure animals.

    Moral of the story......I would have a vet do a general "physical" on her and see if you can pinpoint the exact problem before you seriously go forth breeding her. If he/she feels Destiny has a hereditary issue that isn't worth the risk of breeding, then I wouldn't do it. However if they decide she is capable of producing a nice healthy foal, go for it

    Best of luck:)
         
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        10-27-2013, 05:49 PM
      #12
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by VLBUltraHot    

    I mean people are allergic to all kinds of stuff, and they still make babies
    Just because they can doesn't mean they should I don't think people are a good example to use, not sure if it is the results of breeding or environment or what, but when I was a kid seeing someone with asthma was a rare event, not now.

    OP, from this thread of yours Considering Breeding Next Year

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    My cousin brought it up because she owns the barn where I keep Destiny and is thinking about breeding her QH/TB filly next year. She thought it would be cool to breed them at the same time. So it's up for consideration. In no way is this for sure, but it's at least fun to think about.
    Thinking about breeding is great fun, I have lined up studs many times for my Arab, but ACTUALLY breeding, well that is a whole different ball game. Read as much as possible, research, do the maths, weigh up the risks, and then decide. DO NOT breed just because someone thinks it would be cool to breed them at the same time.
         
        10-27-2013, 05:59 PM
      #13
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Horse    
    Just because they can doesn't mean they should I don't think people are a good example to use, not sure if it is the results of breeding or environment or what, but when I was a kid seeing someone with asthma was a rare event, not now..
    That statement was sort of a joke I don't foresee there being a horrible genetic issue with mild allergies in horses. I would (and do) definitely have an issue breeding something with obvious detrimental problems. But allergies, eh. Especially if the mare hasn't even been officially diagnosed. Just my personal opinion:)
         
        10-27-2013, 06:12 PM
      #14
    Trained
    Weeeell....I had a horse who's dam "was just a little allergic to dust", slight cough, not always, sometimes nothing for a long time. I lost that mare's daughter at age 15 to a heart failure due to heaves. She also had metabolic issues and had foundered. THANK HEAVENS I NEVER BRED HER, even tho it was very tempting.
    I, personally, would be equally concerned about her weak pasterns behind.
         
        10-27-2013, 06:45 PM
      #15
    Foal
    ArabianGirl27,

    Before deciding to breed, or not to breed....have Destiny looked at by a vet. Confirm the problem, and go from there. Until then, postpone the thoughts of breeding. Better to be safe than sorry.
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        10-27-2013, 08:05 PM
      #16
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
    weeeell....I had a horse who's dam "was just a little allergic to dust", slight cough, not always, sometimes nothing for a long time. I lost that mare's daughter at age 15 to a heart failure due to heaves. She also had metabolic issues and had foundered. THANK HEAVENS I NEVER BRED HER, even tho it was very tempting.
    I, personally, would be equally concerned about her weak pasterns behind.
    It's like I'm reading my own post. I bought a filly who's dam had "slight" asthma. Filly developed slight allergies and breathing issues once or twice a year. As she aged they exploded into massive allergies and heaves. Had her tested, she was allergic to 30 of the things on the test. Went the whole 9 yards trying to fix her; ended up losing her anyway at 15. I had her put down when she stopped eating. Nowadays you couldn't pay me to take on a horse with allergies.

    Whatever you decide please be sure to consult your vet and get an honest opinion.
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        10-27-2013, 08:46 PM
      #17
    Foal
    Thank you VLBUltraHot! I agree, she is very cute!

    We've had her looked at (multiple times), endoscope too I believe, and there was no sign of a bacterial infection. We had her tested and found out that she is quite allergic to wheat, soy, and wheat, and a tiny bit to carrots. We changed her feed because it had oats and soy in it, which stopped her coughing, but then she started up again recently and we haven't had her looked at yet. We put some kind of supplement in her feed (I don't remember what it was called; my cousin gave it to her. She owns the barn and she knows more about horses than I do.) and she doesn't cough much, if at all, anymore. She's fine for now and we'll probably be talking to the vet in the spring about it.

    GoldenHorse, I would never consider breeding just because someone else thinks it's a good idea. If I thought I wasn't ready, or Destiny couldn't handle it, or the foal wouldn't be worth bringing into the world, I wouldn't even be considering this. But I'm overly cautious for a lot of things, especially concerning my horse, and if I think I'm ready, then I am. And I will be speaking to our vet about breeding and see what she thinks, don't worry. :) I know actually breeding is way different than just thinking about it, and I have thought a lot about it, for years now. This isn't just a spur-of-the-moment thing. It's been a long time coming, in a way. I wasn't ready for it before, but I am now.
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        10-27-2013, 08:46 PM
      #18
    Foal
    *wheat, soy, and oats, sorry. She's allergic to wheat, soy, and oats.
         
        10-29-2013, 03:05 AM
      #19
    Started
    Your mare is cute, but I am concerned about how she would suit your needs. You said she was young, others' experiences that they shared said that they had mares before that were mild when they were young and got really bad when they were older. Sounds like a bad gamble to me, you do not know how long she will remain in good health.

    You also said that you wanted a foal that was laid back and not spooky like a sire you want to breed to. If your mare is spooky or hard to handle, she is more likely going to produce a foal like herself. Yes, you can get calm, gentle babies out of a jumpy and/or high strung mare, but not that often. The mother has greater influence on the foal, she is who raises the baby and nurtures their natural disposition.

    If you want tobiano, there are thousands of homozygous tobianos out there but only a fraction are worth breeding to. Especially cross breeding. There are genetic diseases to watch out for, namely HYPP, which APHA does not test for and only a single copy is needed to effect a foal. Watch for stallions that are built downhill, this is common in stock horses but it is not desireable, especially in Arabs and half Arabs. The other issue with tobiano, is you are only guaranteed a copy of the gene when you breed to a homozygous tobiano. There is no guarantee that will get any pattern at all, you can have a solid baby with no white but still have a tobiano gene.

    Since you have something particular that you personally want, go buy that baby. The market is flooded with weanlings every year. Find your dream horse, one whose personality fits with you, has the temperament, conformation, build, color, etc.
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        10-29-2013, 02:53 PM
      #20
    Weanling
    Just as an information sidebar, APHA does test for HYPP - I had my mare tested thru them.
         

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