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        10-29-2013, 02:31 PM
      #21
    Green Broke
    I hate to jump on the bandwagon, but I have to agree with everyone else...

    Or, kind of.

    The biggest question here is what you want to use the baby for. Do you have a discipline in mind? Or do you just want a baby?

    Destiny is very cute, by the way!
         
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        10-29-2013, 02:40 PM
      #22
    Weanling
    Even if your horse didn't have asthma issues, I would not breed her. Sure, she's cute and I'm sure she's a great horse and you love her to death, but she is not breeding quality. You will merely be producing another ok quality horse (at best) in a world over full of them.

    You have also said you've never worked with babies before. I would suggest finding someone experienced who has a baby who will allow you to help train it to get some experience. This person can teach you. Babies are a ridiculous amount of work and money and if you don't start them out right and stay consistent, you will have a real problem on your hands.

    You are young, and as much as many girls think they will be able to continue riding horses throughout their college years, the majority are not able to. Many have to give up horses for a time, for one reason or another. If you have a young horse, what are you going to do with her/him when you go off to college? Also, since you are young, you are supported by your parents. I don't know if you do some work to pay for your horse or if it is all funded by them, but when you become a young adult, living on your own and having to support two horses, pay off student loans, etc. you will find things very difficult.

    I know the thought of having a baby horse is exciting and you want to try your hand at training one from the ground up, but unless you truly have the time and money to be able to do this well (and it takes a lot more time than you realize) then it is not fair to the horse. I would suggest waiting until you have graduated college and know that you are in a financially stable situation before ever thinking about breeding and then, do it with a different mare or better yet, buy a weanling.
         
        10-29-2013, 06:10 PM
      #23
    Foal
    SunnyDraco, yes, I am breeding to a Paint because I prefer a quiet, laid-back foal. I realize this may not be what I get, but I am hoping for it. ;) My mare can be spooky, but she isn't exceptionally crazy and she isn't high-strung at all. She's actually very quiet for an Arab, and I can do pretty much anything with her. She just has her moments sometimes, especially when she's in heat, lol.

    I also understand that I may not necessarily get a colored foal. I've been doing some research, actually. Basically, out of a solid-colored mare, I could get a foal with a lot of white, a little bit of white, or pretty much no white at all. It's a gamble, but with Destiny as the dam, that doesn't matter to me. :)

    Thanks for the tips, too!
         
        10-29-2013, 06:29 PM
      #24
    Foal
    Zexious, thank you! :)
    I would be using the baby as a pleasure trail riding horse. I don't show, never been interested, but I love exploring the trails around the barn! I also watch videos on youtube of people doing cool things with their horses, like having them pull sleds in the winter or riding bareback and bridleless (I do that with Destiny) or just doing things that clearly show the horse is very laid-back, like dragging tarps over them or going through the drive-through at a fast-food place (don't worry, I wouldn't be doing that one, lol). I'd love to have a horse that I could do things like that with -- just unique, unusual things like that. :P

    TessaMay, to me, she is breeding quality. And apparently (as I have been told, anyway) a crossbred foal from her would be worth about $5000; a purebred, $20,000. That's from others' perspectives...to me, obviously, her foal would be worth much more. And don't get me wrong, I wouldn't breed her if her allergies were really bad and she couldn't handle it! But I'm sure people have bred horses with worse. Some people breed just to breed...at least I examine every perspective and have a perfectly sound horse with good conformation (don't quote me on that, as I am not an expert at conformation; but I have been told by many that she has good conformation by many knowledged horse people) and am looking for a sire that could complement her conformation. :P
    And, well, we have a baby (well, she's not a baby anymore...she's 3, but I've known her since she was a weanling). So I know they aren't easy! But I have handled her (not training though, I've never worked with her and she's not broke to ride yet -- she's going for training soon) and I'd have help with my own foal. I know what I'm doing at least, I'm just a tad inexperienced. :P
    Also...I get the whole college thing. I still have no idea what I'm going to be doing, I don't know what I want to do. I don't have a "dteam job". My dream is only one thing -- to ride, to have horses, to train my own foal and know it from the day it's born. Okay, that's 4 things, but they're all related. :P And I will do whatever I have to do to make that dream reality. When I go to college, I'll be going somewhere near my home and staying at home. I currently am working at the barn in exchange for free board. I know that, whatever happens, I'll always have Destiny - I could never sell her. And if she had a foal, I'd feel the same way about her foal, too.
         
        10-29-2013, 06:29 PM
      #25
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ArabianGirl27    
    And yes, if it came to it, I would be prepared to lose both mare and foal. Of course, I would be devastated, as I love Destiny more than anything else in the world, but there is a very low chance of that happening and IF it did, I would have to deal with it. And I could.
    You can say that you are prepared to lose both mare and foal all you want, but that does not necessarily make it true. True, I've never bred a horse before, I have a friend who did and lost the foal in an awful way. The foal was positioned wrong, was poorly formed, and had to be cut out of the mare in sections. That mare was not even a maiden, she was a seasoned broodmare, and it was true miracle (as said by the vet) that she survived. That same mare is now unrideable.

    Are you really, really, truly willing to risk Destiny's life, health, and "rideability", or that of her foal's? What if you have to raise an orphan? Can you make that commitment? You said you want a foal for sentimental reasons . . . Why, then, would you be so willing to lose your mare? In the end, it really is your decision, though. It's totally up to you, and I won't shame you if you decide to go through with breeding.

    Sorry if that came out strange or awkward sounding, I have a killer migraine and get a little loopy on Tylenol
         
        10-29-2013, 06:33 PM
      #26
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Falcor74    
    Just as an information sidebar, APHA does test for HYPP - I had my mare tested thru them.
    APHA does not require testing of Impressive bred horses nor do they restrict if a horse is H/H in registration. They also do no put status on the papers unless specifically requested by the owner.
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        10-29-2013, 06:35 PM
      #27
    Foal
    ^With the filly, when I said "I've never worked with her", I meant like lunging or desensitizing, training. That kind of work.

    I have shooed her away, convinced her to respect me and back away when I ask her to (because she LOVES to try to follow me into the feed room), and led her from place to place in a halter...I know that doesn't correspond to training my own foal, because then I'd have to teach it everything from standing to tying to picking up its feet to lunging to allowing me to put a saddle on its back and ride it...but at least I have been around babies and know how...stubborn and headstrong and just plain annoying they can be at times.
         
        10-29-2013, 06:41 PM
      #28
    Foal
    EliRose- yeah, I know, it's different if it actually happens. But the point is...is anyone really prepared to lose their mare? One cannot prepare for that, but if it happens, they deal with it. And I am no less able to do that than someone else. I am, by no means, willing to lose my mare. I love her to death and if anything happened to her, I would die (not literally, but you know what I mean :P). But I'd deal with it...somehow. Believe me, if I had to raise an orphan foal, I wouldn't hesitate to make that commitment.
    And thank you! Don't worry, it didn't sound strange at all! :) Lol!
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        10-29-2013, 07:12 PM
      #29
    Weanling
    See my comments in green

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ArabianGirl27    

    TessaMay, to me, she is breeding quality. And apparently (as I have been told, anyway) a crossbred foal from her would be worth about $5000; a purebred, $20,000.

    Not sure who told you this, but highly unlikely. Crosses don't go for that much unless they have proven themselves to be very good at something in the show ring. Even a warmblood would not go for that in my area and they are incredibly popular and people will pay more than they are worth half the time.

    I don't know Arab bloodlines, but even if your horse has very good lines and so does the stud, you are not going to sell any baby out of her for that much.

    But I'm sure people have bred horses with worse.

    Of course they have, that doesn't justify you doing it too.

    Some people breed just to breed...at least I examine every perspective and have a perfectly sound horse with good conformation (don't quote me on that, as I am not an expert at conformation; but I have been told by many that she has good conformation by many knowledged horse people)

    Glad she's sound, but from what I see, she has a very short back and long pasterns in the back. Also, back to the asthma, you are thinking you'll have to retire her early because of it. Not necessarily something she'll pass on, but would still keep many responsible people from breeding her and taking the chance.

    But I have handled her (not training though, I've never worked with her and she's not broke to ride yet -- she's going for training soon) and I'd have help with my own foal. I know what I'm doing at least, I'm just a tad inexperienced. :P

    Bit of a contradiction...

    Also...I get the whole college thing. I still have no idea what I'm going to be doing, I don't know what I want to do. I don't have a "dteam job". My dream is only one thing -- to ride, to have horses, to train my own foal and know it from the day it's born. Okay, that's 4 things, but they're all related. :P And I will do whatever I have to do to make that dream reality. When I go to college, I'll be going somewhere near my home and staying at home.

    If you have no idea what you are going to do after high school, then that is just more reason to wait and not breed your mare.
         
        10-29-2013, 07:33 PM
      #30
    Trained
    Post the pedigree of your mare and I can tell you if the 20k for a purebred foal is realistic.
    In the meantime I can assure you that 20k $ foals don't come from unknown backyard breeders. It's the big breeders who can get this much for a foal, but they breed about40, 50 mares a year and that results in maybe one or two high priced ones. The other 38 usually go to auction or directly on the meat truck.
    IF your mare were a proven show mare, especially halter, with national titles under her belt, and you would use a stallion with the same credentials or better, you might stand a chance.

    I still think conformation of her hindend is way less than ideal, looks like she has DSLD(I can only judge from the pics you posted, of course).

    IMHO, you're much better off getting one of those auction foals, where you can pick color and gender, and raise that and make a good equine citizen out of it. That way you won't endanger your mare's life, and do a good deed in the process.
         

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