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    10-29-2013, 08:39 PM
TessaMay- I doubt I'd sell her foals for that much, but it's what I've been told. XD
I'm not saying it justifies me to do so, but I could do worse. :P That was what I meant, really.
She has a short back, yes. She's an Arabian. Arabians are known for having short backs. That is not necessarily dreadfully awful. :P And I am not sure about her allergies, but even if I have to retire her early, I honestly don't see why allergies are such a big problem unless, obviously, they lead to much worse (which they haven't yet, and if I wait to see if they do, she'll be too old to breed. If I breed her now, there's a chance and there's no chance. Only a possibility.)
My point is, I have some amount of experience with babies, just not the official groundwork and getting on their backs for the first time. The training isn't a problem. I may not have a lot of experience, but I know at least partially what I am doing. I use Clinton Anderson's groundwork methods which are basically the same whether adult or foal, so what I am doing is not going to be a whole lot different from what I do with Destiny -- just the horse will be different, and what the horse does. For once, I have confidence in myself so I know that this is possible. :P
And actually, I was wrong...I do have an idea of what I'm going to do. I just haven't decided yet. But I have time to decide. There's always time. Sort of. Ish. :P
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    10-29-2013, 08:45 PM
Deserthorsewoman- pedigree: Ben-adhem Aswad Ameera Arabian
I honestly can't imagine her foals going for 20k, but whatever. XD

But, uh, what's DSLD? Lol, sorry, I haven't been in this forum long and probably don't know that many horsey terms. :3
    10-29-2013, 08:51 PM
I would post her pedigree that's a great offer and would possibly give you guidance on an arabian stud that would compliment your mare.

For what its worth, I don't think you should breed your mare. Foals are cute for about 3 months than they become a ton of work. The other issue is that getting a mare in foal is expensive. You take the stud fee, plus boarding the mare (this increases if AI is used) plus ultrasounds, plus vaccines, plus IGG testing once the foal is on the ground. The fact that your mare while nice is nothing steller is another reason but not the main reason that I think you should not breed.

You are probably in your mid teens. Life with change drastically in the next ten years for you. It is just not a good time in your life to have a foal. I have seen this more times than I can count. Where someone gets a mare in foal when they the owner are 16 years old. The horse turns three and the owner is 19. At which point, the owner has one of the following things that prevent them from working with the foal, boyfriend, college, job, lack of time etc. You are entering what will hopefully be some great years of your life (college) and you will also be fantastically poor in most cases. Affording one horse much less two will be a challenge. I don't say this to be mean, I say this because I can think of five people I knew in high school who bred a mare, life got complicated and the foal suffered for it.
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    10-29-2013, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ArabianGirl27    
deserthorsewoman- pedigree: Ben-adhem Aswad Ameera Arabian
I honestly can't imagine her foals going for 20k, but whatever. XD

But, uh, what's DSLD? Lol, sorry, I haven't been in this forum long and probably don't know that many horsey terms. :3
Degenerative Suspensory Ligament Disease (It effects the hind end I believe)

I think that if you have the means and the facilities that it is a really neat experience to breed and raise at least one horse in a persons life time. I've done it once and I don't know if I'll do it again or not. I keep waffling. Pretty neat experience, scary, and huge responsibility. I also think that if you are going to breed, then it really needs to be done carefully and with great thought. I have a pretty mare or my horse is the sweetest animal in the world should not be the reason.

Your mare is really cute and (I don't know Arabian bloodlines really well) is registered but with her health issues it is really important that you go into this with an open mind and really seek out the advice of a vet. I do believe that allergies are inherited. I don't know the percentages on it but I do know that you will have a chance of passing an allergy on. I'm thinking that breeding this particular mare may not be the right decision for you but honestly, talk to your vet, see what they say.....
    10-29-2013, 08:56 PM
I thought she looked familiar.....I told you I knew one of her ancestors personally, when he came to Germany. He died of heaves, btw.
DSLD is a weakness in the suspensory ligaments, ending in completely dropped fetlocks. She seems mighty straight in the hocks and her fetlocks are quite low already. A pregnancy puts strain on her legs, she carries that weight around 24/7, when ridden, she has relief when you dismount.

I don't want to be negative, but I seriously think you'd be better off getting a foal already on the ground, where you can, as I said, color, conformation, character. Get her allergies taken care of, and enjoy her as long as possible.
    10-29-2013, 09:46 PM
The mare is cute. I do not see her as a broodmare. Personally I think the neck is coarse and bred to a Paint that is not likely to be refined. The value tossed around of the possible foal is way out of line as I see it. But the allergy issues are more of a consideration as far as breeding. I would not breed a mare with problems that very likely could be passed on to a foal.
I think our concerns are not going to be heeded, I am sorry to say. It's her decision. The responses given come from years of experience and most likely decisions some wish we hadn't made.
Even breeding the best mare you can to the best stallion you can afford has a fair amount of risk.
OP, think this through very carefully.
    10-30-2013, 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ArabianGirl27    
I honestly don't see why allergies are such a big problem unless, obviously, they lead to much worse (which they haven't yet, and if I wait to see if they do, she'll be too old to breed. If I breed her now, there's a chance and there's no chance. Only a possibility.)
There is always a possibility that you could be selling the foal. Life is uncertain, you cannot see what may or may not happen in the future. Which is why it is best to breed the best to the best and give a foal the best possibility to be wanted in a market full of average horses selling cheap and free. You are young, you don't even know what you will do after high school to support a hobby of riding, training and taking care of horses you love.

As far as age is concerned, why do you think your mare will be too old to breed if you wait to see what happens as she ages? She is 8 yrs old right now, coming into her prime. Wait until you finish High School and figure out how you will financially afford breeding and care of two horses for their entire natural lives.

True story. My oldest sister bred her mare while in High School, she was fortunate enough to take her mare and filly to college with her. Train her young filly through the 4 yrs of college. She had it very hard most of the time, with finances and actually have time outside of school to be with her horses. She held strong and made many sacrifices to keep her horses. When that foal she bred and raised turned 17, she was bred and had her first foal at the age of 18. Now, my next older sister, also bred a mare while she was in High School. She ended up selling the mare a year after the colt was born because she knew she couldn't afford both while in college. Just after that, the colt (yearling gelding) got collic and all the money from selling the mother went to paying vet bills. Years later, after college, that sister had a hard time finding a job and was doing temp jobs but there were long periods of not having any work. She then sold her gelding due to lack of work and she was burning through all her savings just paying bills.

All in all, your mare is still young, she can wait a few years before you start hunting for stallions. Her health may improve or get worse which would put her in jeopardy for being high risk. Yes, there is sentimental wishes to keep a part of your mare, but do not get selfish and put a foal at risk if things don't work out.

In addition, you had stated before that you weren't sure of your mare's color status. From the pedigree posted, her sire is black and her dam was chestnut. So, for your bay mare, she is Ee Aa

And a final note, you may hope to get something in breeding, but you may get something you did not want and would not want to keep after the cute baby stage ended. Breeding is a huge gamble, the only way to improve your odds if breeding a mare and stallion that possess all the traits you want, in build, temperament, height, etc.
    10-30-2013, 02:20 AM
Originally Posted by EliRose    
You can say that you are prepared to lose both mare and foal all you want, but that does not necessarily make it true. True, I've never bred a horse before, I have a friend who did and lost the foal in an awful way. The foal was positioned wrong, was poorly formed, and had to be cut out of the mare in sections. That mare was not even a maiden, she was a seasoned broodmare, and it was true miracle (as said by the vet) that she survived. That same mare is now unrideable.

Are you really, really, truly willing to risk Destiny's life, health, and "rideability", or that of her foal's? What if you have to raise an orphan? Can you make that commitment? You said you want a foal for sentimental reasons . . . Why, then, would you be so willing to lose your mare? In the end, it really is your decision, though. It's totally up to you, and I won't shame you if you decide to go through with breeding.

Sorry if that came out strange or awkward sounding, I have a killer migraine and get a little loopy on Tylenol
The risk of losing the mare and foal are very very slim. Why do people feel the need to frighten someone into changing their minds? This scare tactic does not work so why revisit it every time someone contemplates breeding their mare?
I have bred lots of mares and my family has for generations. Too many for me to count. We have lost only a handful foals and never the mare. Some took a while to recover but they did recover only one was never able to be bred again .
Any sane reasonable person understands there is a risk when breeding any mare. Why bring it up? There is more risk involved though riding, training, in competition , hauling, and doing anything else with a 1200 pound person. Yet we do it anyway.
I don't see anyone else on this forum warning barrel racers, eventers, dressage riders, jumpers, hunters, or just plain trail horses about the risk in those activities.
Now I don't really have a pet peeve about what others generally say or do but this continual warning about the tragedy that might incur during foaling just might be mine. Shalom
    10-30-2013, 02:35 AM
I own two mature stallions and one prospect.
Judging from those pictures I would not consider your mare for either of my stallions. Those pictures may not be the best and I would want to see her in person but her hind legs as pointed out are not something I would want to pass on to a foal.
People have given you things to consider and all are valid.
Most of all both you and that mare have time to realize your dream. No need to rush things.
Good luck what ever you decide. Shalom
    10-30-2013, 03:33 AM
Originally Posted by dbarabians    
The risk of losing the mare and foal are very very slim. Why do people feel the need to frighten someone into changing their minds? This scare tactic does not work so why revisit it every time someone contemplates breeding their mare?
Because it is very very important! When I had a small breeding herd I accepted the risk of losing a mare and or a foal, an unlikely and unfortunate experience.

Waiting for Ace to foal, well that nearly killed me, I would have been beyond devastated if had lost her. I know the risks are small, but there is only one Ace, and yes there is a small chance of losing a mare, and if I had lost her I would of lost everything. Well not everything, but a part of me would have gone with her.

It is worth reminding those who have just one mare that they are looking at an all or nothing scenario, yes she is likely to survive, but foaling is a risk sport, same as child birth is for a woman.

This sums it up well

A medical doctor once told me, "Thereís only a 1% chance that a problem will develop, but if it develops in you, then itís 100% a problem." So it goes with foaling: Foaling difficulties occur in less than 1% of births, but if itís your mare, this statistic ceases to have any relevance.
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