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  • Do Pintabians show at Arab shows in half Arabian classes?
  • Do P:intabians ever show at Arabian shows?

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    11-04-2013, 05:49 PM
  #61
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OP...I think it a nice thing to think of breeding a mare with the plan of keeping the foal for all of its days. It's not very realistic, however. Maybe you have independent financial means and know there will never be issues in your life that will cause a change of situation. But, for most of us, life can be full of surprises, and can take a turn we didn't expect.
When you breed a mare, you want the result to be something that someone else would want should you ever have to find it another home.
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    11-04-2013, 06:30 PM
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When you breed a mare, you want the result to be something that someone else would want should you ever have to find it another home.
Agree with this 100%. I bred my arab mare. She is registered, with a decent pedigree, very good conformation over all, extremely healthy and the best saddle horse I've ever owned. She is bred to a thoroughbred stallion who's disposition and breeding are excellent, conformation is very good and has a decent record on the track. I chose this cross because 1) its a popular cross for various English disciplines, 2)its a cross well suited to endurance racing, which I enjoy, 3) the mare and stallion complement each other very well, where he is not ideal, she is strong, and vice versa, and 4) its not terribly common around here, and I know there is a market for it. I want to keep this foal, but life happens, and I really have no idea what the future holds. The most responsible thing I can do as a breeder is to breed something as desirable as possible, to help ensure its future.

I will also say, Despite the positives of the situation, I very nearly did not breed her, for various reasons.

If you breed your mare, I highly recommend saving, and breeding to the best possible stallion you can afford, ideally with color(such as dun factor and/or a dilute) as well as a nice pattern, and a show record, with of course the essential great conformation, disposition and breeding. You are going to find a colored, paint pattered half arab with a recognizable sire much more marketable.
     
    11-06-2013, 01:03 PM
  #63
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I would also like to point out that you could breed for a purebred Arabian and get a stocky build and a laid back attitude. That isn't a quarter horse or stock horse only trait, even stock bred horses can be as fruity as the fruitest Arabian out there. My mom's purebred Arabian stallion is mistaken as a quarter horse because he is laid back and has a thicker build. My mom and 2 sisters took 3 of his foals (2 weanlings and a yearling) to a parrelli open house last weekend. They got lots of compliments on how beautiful their horses were, and many asked if they were quarter horses... These babies lead around with a loose lead and kept their shoulder with the handler, couldn't wait to explore all the objects and obstacles, wanted to touch and smell everything, couldn't care less about the carrot sticks touching them all over. They were better parelli students than many of the adults horses in the open house. Selective breeding in both sire and dam make the difference in the foal's outcome, which makes more difference than the actual breed.
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    11-06-2013, 01:09 PM
  #64
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I agree sunnydraco. I have a whole pasture full of well muscled arabians. Shalom
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    11-06-2013, 03:36 PM
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Dustbunny- I agree with that! And I am hoping that there will be a market for this foal that I am hoping for. The stallion I'm interested in is a grullo homozygous tobiano -- he's heterozygous dun, so he has a 50% chance of producing some kind of dun (either grullo, bay dun, or red dun). I think he has some kind of show record, and pretty good breeding too. And he's quiet, very quiet. My fingers are crossed, anyway!

Very true, SunnyDraco. Destiny isn't exactly the most Arabian-y Arabian. I've had people ask me if she was a Quarter Horse, too! She has her Arabian moments (like when she sees something that interests her), but when she's just standing or grazing, she looks almost like a Quarter Horse (in my opinion).

And, well, any horse could be quiet, I agree, especially with the right handling. But I've heard that Arab/Paint crosses tend to be very laid-back and quiet. There are people breeding Pintabians (which apparently have to be at least 90-something percent Arabian), and they classify the horses as being at the low end of a scale of temperament -- that is, exceptionally quiet and good-natured. That makes me very interested in this type of cross.

Not to say I think it's a bad idea to breed Arabian to Arabian. I don't. I think it would be cool. :) But Paint is my first choice. :P
     
    11-06-2013, 04:30 PM
  #66
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Hmm even though your reasoning for breeding her now has to do with her age.. you also need to be selfish with this decision. What is this going to demand from your time?

By breeding her now and taking on that responsibility of extra care through the pregnancy, then more years into the future with training this baby you are going to be sacrificing a lot of your own life. Many of the previous posters have mentioned how you aren't in college yet and should reconsider this decision for that reason because they have gone through it and we are speaking from experience here- college is exactly like a full time job in how much time you'll be spending studying for classes. A 40+ hour per week job.

It's the little things that will add up. Have a big midterm the next day: to study or fit in a training session with the foal? And with multiple classes, all of those quizzes and projects and exams will fall all over the place on your schedule, so you will always have at least one thing to be working on.

I know for many of us here on HF (OP included) our horses are a huge part of our lives, but they come with a hefty price tag, and so does college. Add everything up and something has to give. It would be unfair to yourself and your new foal to try and take on so much at one time.

You have plenty of life left to live, and the dreams that you mentioned could be completed later on in life and I think you'd find that waiting would make it all the more worthwhile, for your sake and your horses.
     
    11-06-2013, 06:05 PM
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And, well, any horse could be quiet, I agree, especially with the right handling. But I've heard that Arab/Paint crosses tend to be very laid-back and quiet. There are people breeding Pintabians (which apparently have to be at least 90-something percent Arabian), and they classify the horses as being at the low end of a scale of temperament -- that is, exceptionally quiet and good-natured. That makes me very interested in this type of cross.

Not to say I think it's a bad idea to breed Arabian to Arabian. I don't. I think it would be cool. :) But Paint is my first choice. :P
Pintabians (99.8% Arabian) tend to be an Arabian/saddlebred cross due to the similarities in the breeds which makes a nice cross that keeps closer to Arabian type. I grew up with 5 quarter horse/Arabian crosses, all sired by the same mellow and well put together quarter horse stallion. 4 turned out very beautiful in looks, 1 turned out very poorly put together due to getting all her dam's conformational faults and making them worse. 1 of the beautiful fillies had a nasty attitude from the day she was born, her full brother was a polar opposite from the day he was born. The other beautiful filly had some issues that took time to work through but you still could not tie her up, her full brother really turned heads but was a stallion in the brain from the moment of birth and gelding him at 6 months didn't stop studdish behavior with mares. You just never know what you are going to get when you breed, especially when you cross breed.

My mom's current boss mare is a registered half Arabian black tobiano. Her sire was a registered black tobiano paint, her dam was a registered bay Arabian. We did not breed her, so we do not know what her parents were like in personality. Her previous owner sent her to trainers frequently because the mare was pushy and disrespectful and the previous owner was not horse smart about being alpha and wanted to be a best friend and let her horses push her around in the pasture. After a few months of daily work, the mare became a good citizen but still has her moments.
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    11-07-2013, 12:06 AM
  #68
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Foals have short attentions spans and should not be worked longer than 20-30 minutes.
None of mine are handled besides being petted and rubbed all over until they are 6 months old. Then we start halter breaking them but only handle them once or twice a week except for shots and trimmings until they are nearly 2 years of age. By that time they have good ground manners and respect humans. From 2-3 we start short training session to prepare them for being trained to saddle.
Most large ranches follow this same routine. Some do not handle the yearlings at all after halter breaking them.
Foals and their training do not have to take up a lot of personal time. The OP can spend as much time as she needs to suit her schedule and need.
OP college demands a lot of time add social activities and your time to work with any of your horses will at times be minimal.
College is stressful enough add a mare an foal into the equation and it might be more than some people can handle. Shalom
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    11-08-2013, 01:35 AM
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Im a first year collage student and im only taking 2 core classes and 2 "fluff" classes. I went from seeing my mare every day to maybe 2 times a week. I don't hang out with friends or 'party' or have much of a social life (My horse and this site are my social life). Its just school, school, school. Im stressing to the point about bills and school that im losing my hair (2x the normal amount when brushing). Im having frequent panic attacks and I have been getting on average 4 hours of sleep scene August. I don't even have a job this semester, 1 I can't find one and 2 I don't have the time. Do you REALLY think you could deal with a preg mare AND school? My mare is accident prone as it is and just the though of breeding her makes me ill. The Vet bills, the constant worrying and tweaking to their diets. I could not handle it. Im 21, I VARY vividly remember being your age. Take everyone advice and don't do it. Wait until you are in collage first. Congress just Oked horse slaughter (or are just about to). So what will happen to this foal if you suddenly cannot keep it? There are on average 60,000 Arabians, 60,000 quarter horses and almost 100,000 tbs (Dont quote me on this but its somewhere in that ball park) born in the us a year! Your foal would have to be able to me more desirable than the rest of the futures foals out there. And it takes more than breeding for that. It takes a show record, conformations health and lord knows what else. There are thousands of unwanted horses out there, Bringing another into the world with an uncertain situation is not fair to the foal.
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    11-08-2013, 03:34 PM
  #70
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SunnyDraco- oh, that's weird...where I heard about Pintabians, it said 92-something (somewhere around there anyway) percent Arabian and the rest Paint. But anyway, the technical definitions aren't important; my point is that most people who own Paint/Arabian crosses say they seem to be (on average) very laid-back. :P

Oh, and the stallion I'm looking at is 4 years old this year, so he doesn't have much of a show record, but he has been shown a bit and they're planning on showing him more this year, I think. His sire is A Tru Rolex.
     

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