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post #1 of 131 Old 07-12-2013, 11:57 PM Thread Starter
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Breeding Mystery. Special Case! Help!

Alrighty! So my new horse Cleave is an American Warmblood. He was bought from the slaughter house in Delaware by his former owner, and now we have him. He has a brand, but no papers, no known sire or dam that the former owner can think of, and she didnt bother to ask where he came from when she bought him off the chopping block. He has amazing form and extreme potential that my trainer and I both know could not have happened on accident. There had to be some sort of special sire or dam. But since there are no papers, we don't know who. But his brand is a tell tale sign SOMEONE in the past knew he would be something, right?? I know a brand is to mark the breed of said Warmblood, but not all of them have it... I guess all this rambling is to ask the final question... Is there any possible way to trace him back?? He's 10 right now, and little to no training other than what we have put on him and he still jumps better than some grand prix horses I have seen. It can't be an accident... It just can't be. Is there ANY way to find out who Cleave's sire and dam are??? He hasnt been registered either from what the former owner told us. (though she knew next to nothing about horses so he may very well be) So we registered him in the USEF. Help! I just want to know if this slaughter house baby is an accident or not.. And if the brand can help...

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post #2 of 131 Old 07-13-2013, 12:04 AM Thread Starter
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Here is Cleave jumping 3'11" a week after getting off the trailer from Delaware. No former "real" training to help him. That is the max we pushed him and you can see, its not really pushing him.. haha I just refuse to think this is all an accident, he must have good breeding somewhere... But where, I have no idea... (we have not jumped him this high since and are working with smaller jumps to get his ride and technique before and after the jumps better as well as his muscle to come in.)
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A pic of his brand might be helpful.

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Ill get a close up tomorrow. I don't have one where you can see it clear enough.

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The other complicated part to your story is a brand could also just be a farm he came from. I wonder if there is a directory in the states, or someone you can contact who can look up in the database what that branding might be? If that could take you back to the breeder then you can have answers.
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post #6 of 131 Old 07-13-2013, 01:19 AM
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It's going to depend on what kind of brand he has. Is it an American Warmblood Society brand or a breed brand or a farm brand or just an individual owner brand? That's why I was asking for a pic, that might start narrowing things down.
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post #7 of 131 Old 07-13-2013, 01:30 AM
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A brand doesn't always mean warmblood. My horse was hotbranded and she is a quarter horse. The brand is just her breeder's brand.
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post #8 of 131 Old 07-13-2013, 10:14 PM
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I'm from DE and currently still live here. To the best of my knowledge...the only warmbloods bred around here are TB's and Standardbreds for the track as there are two local racetracks here in the state. The horse folk around here do not typically breed for jumpers and such although there may be a few that I am unaware of.

In southern PA I know there are a few farms at least that do cross country, show jumping, and more so maybe he is from there and just ended up dumped down here at an auction. Good luck finding out more.

If you email me a picture of his brand and a few good full body shots from each side I can try to ask some local horse friends around me if they recognize it. If this interests you, please PM me for my e-mail address.
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All I can say is even if he was an accident, he just might be one of the best slaughter house finds you'll ever get.

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If he's say in imported Hanoverian, from what I understand of the imported Hanoverian we had at my old barn, the brand tells you what year he was born. I was also told that it tells you what pasture he came from, but I would assume that there are more than one breeder so I'm a little skeptical about that. Maybe she meant it would tell you what breeder bred him. Anyways, not sure if other breeds that were imported have the same thing, but if he's imported, maybe you can find out a bit more info. Agree though that a picture of the brand is needed.
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