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    12-25-2011, 03:03 AM
Breeding options

I would like a 10-13hh pony for my sister to ride but I can't find a good one in my price range. All I have found is many people wanting the sort of pony I want, suitable for pony club etc.
I am considering breeding one of my mares but which one? Could I breed a 6hh miniature to a 14hh pony stallion and hope to get a 10hh foal? Or would my 15.2hh standardbred mare crossed with a 10hh stallion be better? Or should I try to find a foal to break in myself?
My standardbred has had 4 foals already, would a 5th foal be to much? She is 11 and is in great condition, the vet said she did not look like she has had 4 foals. Thanks for your help.
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    12-25-2011, 03:14 AM
By the time a foal you raise is big, old, and broke enough for your sister, she'll have outgrown it. What region are you in? For what you're considering, you'd be far better off buying a training project pony and putting a little effort to get it ready.
    12-25-2011, 03:27 AM
Christchurch, New Zealand. I have another 8 younger siblings so whatever the height, one of my siblings at least will fit it.
    12-25-2011, 07:36 AM
I would not breed just for the sake of breeding, there are enough horses in this world ! Do you know any pony breeders ? What about pony club instructors in your area ? They might know someone with a pony who has outgrown it.
    12-25-2011, 02:19 PM
No, I do not know any pony breeders, I do know a pony club instructor and I have asked her but she doesn't know of any at the moment. In new zealand, there is a shortage of decent ponies suitable for childrenat the moment unless you plan to spend $32,000 for a top show pony and unfortunately I can't afford that money.
    12-26-2011, 01:51 AM
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I would personally suggest breeding your standardbred mare, it would be less potential stress for the mare ;)
(Small mommy, fast growing baby could have trouble bending down to nurse at 5 months)

So long as your standardbred mare is well taken care of nutritionally, she shouldn't have any problems with a fifth foal.

Is there a cross that would allow the foal to be registered? Do you have potential stallions in mind? What kind of conformation do they have? What about temperament?

Good luck in your search, too bad you can't just import a potential training candidate for cheap. The problem I have personally found with inexpensive young horses/ponies for sale is that they tend to come with baggage. Usually a reason why they are for sale that the seller isn't completely honest about, whether it is their temperament, conformation, habits, or some other reason (like a problem with getting them registered, something that happened to my mom when she was handed the registration papers on a long yearling out of two registered quarter horses and the registry could not do anything to register the filly).
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    12-26-2011, 02:49 AM
I doublt it, for what I want to do, it would not need to ne registered, just have a height certificate. No stallions in mind yet as I am still riding my mare and I don't know if I want to forego one whole year of riding! I also doubt I am experienced enough and the horse is not on my property (she is one and a half kilometers down the road, I bike to see her every day) so I'm not sure how foaling would work. But if I found a cheap stallion, I might give it a go. Any advice? Could I do it naturally as I need such a small stallion? Thanks.
    12-26-2011, 03:21 AM
Green Broke
Depends on the stallion's determination, sometimes the mare can also help.

And honestly, you shouldn't have to forego an entire year's worth of riding. You can ride through the pregnancy so long as the mare is comfortable, just not an overly strenuous/hard ride. Some mares can go on gentle rides a week before giving birth so long as they have had regular exercise. It is also good for the mare to get a work out during pregnancy, tends to help the birthing experience with good muscle development. You can also do light riding while ponying a foal, frequent nursing breaks, and teaches basics of ponying from an early age. I don't suggest letting baby run free, too many things can happen. As the foal grows, your rides can get longer, and give good early experience to the foal.
I would suggest to start looking at stallions in your area now to get an idea of what is available. Focus on conformation and temperament in stallions between 10 and 11.2hh, you want a well formed foal with an easy temperament to be used in a pony club. It would also be good to bring along someone who could provide additional critique. Or take conformation pictures and post them on the forum to get critique. Any other features of the stallion are just icing on the cake, just remember that size and color don't make desirable quality babies. :)
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    12-26-2011, 05:30 AM
I don't know how it works for horses, but I know how it works for most animals.
The 'male' should generally not be the bigger (within reason) of the pair.
You will risk the baby being over-sized and the mother not being able to actually birth the baby through her pelvis safely killing potentially mother and baby.

This is why they measure human babies shortly before the end of final term versus the mother to ensure no complications regarding size.

Just something to keep in mind :)

Otherwise - I know nothing about foaling so that's my only advice. Best of luck finding a pony!! :)
    12-26-2011, 08:00 AM
Foals don't usually end up "in the middle" for size when you breed a really small pony and large horse. They seem to either resemble dam or sire in size and type. So you will get one or the other. As far as breeding larger stallion to smaller pony within reason it shouldnt be a problem. The mares uterus only has so much room for the foal to grow. It will naturally birth the foal at a given size. My foals are usually all born the same size within reason and all mature to dramatically different heights. My 13h paso mare's foals usually are the same size of her by 3 months. The stallion she is bred to is 15 hands. We always wean her foals early as they are usually drinking quite a bit of milk and she can't keep up if they are kept on 4 months or longer.

Breeding is a viable option however remember you have to pick the stallion.. pay the fee. Breed the mare... wait a year for the baby. If she didnt settle its another year. That baby is now not rideable until three. So you have a year in gestation and three in maturation. So it will be four years until you have a rideable mount. If that is OK with you than go for it :)

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