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        12-31-2012, 06:57 PM
      #11
    Trained
    Oh yes, I remember her now. I think Empress will really compliment her, actually. One of the things I loved best about their pedigree's is the performance. The Polish lines really helped to bring a nice deep girth and round croup that I just don't see in the big Halter horses of today.
    That should be one athletic foal, regardless if you want to go English or Western.

    I love her dam's breeding. I have Chief Justice daughter. She's lovely. :)
         
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        12-31-2012, 07:04 PM
      #12
    Showing
    GH, if you want/need more info, I'm more than happy to get in touch with Candace - she's a friend of mine :)
         
        12-31-2012, 07:32 PM
      #13
    Trained
    Goldenhorse if that mare is as great conformationally as her pedigree predicts then you really need to consider breeding her. Show record or not.
    I own a few mares that are daughters and grandaughters of Bask Flame.
    In fact most of the mares that I have bred are closely related to your mare.
    If she was for sale and I was still looking I would truly consider her.
    I am now adding spainish and eygptian bllod lines. Good luck. Shalom
         
        12-31-2012, 08:18 PM
      #14
    Trained
    LOL, She isn't bad, I'll have to get her stood up and take some pics of her.

    While I am no fan of the seahorse look she is a little plain in the head, like her momma, but she does have that great barrel that I like in that line. I was seriously tempted by her full sister as well, but couldn't get the deal I wanted, she came up for sale a long time ago, but I didn't have room, then came up again just after I bought Emmy.


    Just have to add Ace, just because

         
        12-31-2012, 09:52 PM
      #15
    Yearling
    Welp, you're in no hurry to make a decision- you can wait ten years if you want, and even then, you still don't have to breed, haha. Don't feel pressured to get a foal out of her, just enjoy having such a beautiful horse!

    I kinda have a bit of a rant- maybe that's not the word for it, 'rant' sounds angry to me, lol. Okay, I guess this is just more of a 'thinking out loud' kinda thing. Bear with me, this could get long....
    I'm not aiming this at anyone specifically, it's just something I've observed and therefore thought about. I know the whole breeding thing is a bit of a trigger on here for some people, so I don't want anyone to feel like I'm attacking their decisions/opinions/ beliefs. Overall I think that it's your choice what you do with your horse, whether that's breed to your neighbors stallion for free, spend most of your savings on a top notch stallion in another country, or never breed your horse at all.

    Anyway. For some reason with mares breeding always comes up. Especially if they have good conformation and a good pedigree. It's like people feel obligated to breed their horses if they can breed.
    Personally, I think that first you should enjoy your time with your horse, and treat them as an individual and not a mare that could have a good baby. If they're getting old and you really want to have their foal, then go ahead, why not? But there's no hurry- yes, you need a vet check to make sure they can still have a foal, but I think that if I was going to breed a mare, I would do it after we've been together for a while, because I really want the foal from her, not just because she was well conformed or had a good pedigree. There are plenty of well conformed horses out there with good pedigrees. What really matters is that you love the horse, not their possible progeny. (unless it's your business... lol)
    A good question to ask when breeding comes up is, are you thinking of breeding now because you truly want the result, because you just want a foal, or because you just think you should?
    My mom, for example, has a mare that she rescued from being sent to slaughter. Her owners kept hiring crappy trainers who would treat her badly, and it got to the point where just walking down the driveway with a saddle on had her dripping a trail of sweat. She would rear and try to spin around in sheer panic, it was a horrible thing to see. I was only about 10 but I still remember it, I couldn't forget that- it was the first time I saw a horse so afraid that she couldn't even function.
    My mom took her in and eventually bonded with her, and now she can easily tote little children around the trails without a problem. Unfortunately, she's also about 23 now, and starting to show it. My mom has thought about it and she has decided that she could not bond with another horse like she did her Molly. She wants to breed her to have a foal before she passes, and this will be the last horse she plans to ever have.
    This is all my opinion, as I am not and never will be in the breeding business, but I don't think you should feel pressured to breed her. Enjoy her as who she is.
    And she is definitely a beautiful horse, I think she would produce a beautiful foal, especially with that stallion. Good choice!
         
        12-31-2012, 09:53 PM
      #16
    Green Broke
    If and when you decide to breed Golden, what is the future for the foal? Would you keep him/her?
         
        12-31-2012, 10:55 PM
      #17
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by soenjer55    
    Welp, you're in no hurry to make a decision- you can wait ten years if you want, and even then, you still don't have to breed, haha. Don't feel pressured to get a foal out of her, just enjoy having such a beautiful horse!
    I wont get pressured by others don't worry, it is nice that other people see her worth, but I bought her to enjoy not reproduce.

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    Originally Posted by Chevaux    
    If and when you decide to breed Golden, what is the future for the foal? Would you keep him/her?
    Well there is the rub, this is why it stays in the IF rather than the when. I have no need for another youngster, I have Angel, who is 15 months, Emmy is only 8 and Willow 6, they should be able to last me for a good long time.

    There are lots of fine Arabians up here, and if you shop carefully you can find great bargains out there, so I really don't think that Emmy would give me a foal that would better the breed that much, so why would I want to breed her.

    I am not saying never to either Emmy or Willow being a mum in the future, but I'm saying not likely.
         
        12-31-2012, 11:37 PM
      #18
    Trained
    You should be a buyer... We need more responsible owners.
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        01-01-2013, 03:20 PM
      #19
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by WSArabians    
    You should be a buyer... We need more responsible owners.
    The most responsible thing I can do at the moment is not buy, although as I say I was sorely tempted by Grace up there, and also Norman, the larger of the two colts running with Ace there was for sale before Christmas, By Jesse James, out of Ace, going for $400 because of issues with his papers.

    That lets me know a few things, average horses make average prices, and while the market is in the crapper, it is the time to buy very selectively, if at all.

    While I love the foals that Ace puts on the ground there have been a few for sale recently, maybe others don't love them as much as I do.

    To be in the breeding game you need to have money, patience and a clear vision of what you want to achieve. That vision has to be with you throughout, and it best be shared by others or you will have no market.

    It worries me that people (like me) could easily get sucked into breeding because they own a pretty enough mare, but I don't hold in my mind a strong enough picture of the perfect Arab that I would want to try and create, that takes so much research and looking at traits, fun for some, not so much for me.

    Then again there is the other thought....Emmy is right on 15hh, top end of what an Arab should be for me, she is a solid girl at that, and I hope she will be able to carry me OK, but if I wanted to breed a riding horse for me from her I would out cross her to maybe a heavy set TB or another larger breed, looking to put size on, rather than breeding the arab itself bigger, but that is a whole 'nother can of worms. I hate what is happening to the Haflinger, it should be a short tough stocky multi purpose horse, when they start getting to be 15hh + and look like Arabs there is something far wrong. Keep the purebred pure and to breed type, then outcross carefully to produce sports horses, or choose a breed that was designed with that in mind.
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        01-01-2013, 06:55 PM
      #20
    Trained
    Either way you go GH, I think you have winners with the Ace bred girls that you have. Ace sure produced some really, really nice horses IMPO.
         

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