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    02-05-2011, 06:00 PM
  #1
Foal
Breeding A Stallion Thats HYPP N/H

So Im not going to post a link to this stallion that I found on equine.com being offered for stud right now. But I will say it says he's HYPP N/H...Says so on his ad. Now I don't know a whole lot about the disease. But why on gods green earth would you breed a stallion like that LET ALONE offer it out to stud for other people thinking any "educated" person that knows about the disease would use it!? Like really? WHY? Do I not know something here about the disease and someone needs to tell me. Just makes no sense to me whats so ever especially when we are trying to get rid of the disease... Idiotic people.....
     
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    02-05-2011, 07:42 PM
  #2
Trained
I personally wouldn't keep a H/N horse entires. However, if they insisted on HYPP testing on every mare that he served, and only accepted N/N mares, it is not a big issue IMHO.
     
    02-05-2011, 08:03 PM
  #3
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
I personally wouldn't keep a H/N horse entires. However, if they insisted on HYPP testing on every mare that he served, and only accepted N/N mares, it is not a big issue IMHO.
How not so? Breeding an N/H horse to N/N horses will produce an N/H horse 50% of the time. N/H horses are still carriers and are still completely able to suffer from the horrid effects.

I'm sorry, I have ZERO respect for any human being who would ever breed N/H or H/H. There is simply NO excuse for it, and it can ALWAYS produce an affected/carrier animal. I don't understand how people think N/H is less horrid then H/H - they can STILL have just as major of an attack, they can still live in misery and the ONLY bonus is that only 50% of the offspring will have this horrible disease instead of 100%.

It is just not something any responsible breeder worth his or her salt would even consider doing. It's despicable.
     
    02-05-2011, 08:33 PM
  #4
Foal
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Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    

I'm sorry, I have ZERO respect for any human being who would ever breed N/H or H/H. There is simply NO excuse for it, and it can ALWAYS produce an affected/carrier animal. I don't understand how people think N/H is less horrid then H/H - they can STILL have just as major of an attack, they can still live in misery and the ONLY bonus is that only 50% of the offspring will have this horrible disease instead of 100%.

It is just not something any responsible breeder worth his or her salt would even consider doing. It's despicable.
Completely and totally agree. I don't think there is any excuse for it even if the horse is just N/H..... VILE and WRONG! I don't know who in the right mind would breed to a stallion whos ad clearly says hypp n/h. They'd be better off trying to lie
     
    02-05-2011, 08:36 PM
  #5
Trained
Ah ok I didn't realise that N/H are able to be affected by HYPP, I was under the impression it was recessive. Here in Australia I have never heard of it, and I am not into stock breeds so never really would have heard of HYPP at all.

In that case, I agree. It should not be kept entire.
     
    02-05-2011, 08:41 PM
  #6
Showing
It's all about the money. It's as simple as that.
     
    02-05-2011, 10:41 PM
  #7
Started
I agree that its all about the money. What is winning in the halter world at the moment, what is making all the big bucks, and what is selling for the most money, are the Impressive lined horses, because they get that muscling that people seem to want, and to them for some reason its worth the risk, and even the dealing with the horse that may pass it on, or that may have the sickness. I know a lady who used to do halter horses, her gelding she gelded specifically because he tested N/H, and she didn't want to even potentially pass it on to another horse. Its as much the show judges faults as is the breeders, because since that's what is (or was, its been a couple years since I've really looked at the halter world), what wins the shows, and is what the judges are looking for, its what the people are going to breed. I still think its sad though that people are willing to potential get an animal with the disease just because they want that extra edge in the show ring, and aren't willing to breed lines that don't have the disease, or can't pass it on.
     
    02-05-2011, 10:56 PM
  #8
Green Broke
"what is selling for the most money, are the Impressive lined horses"

I disagree.... Well here in Ohio anyway. There is an annual auction at a place called Hendersons. You can buy an Impressive horse from $100 to $400, with $400 being the ones broke to ride.

When I was trying to sell my Impressive bred mare nobody wanted her because she was Impressive bred and she was N/N.


     
    02-06-2011, 01:12 AM
  #9
Showing
You are correct in a way SUJ. However, I would venture a guess that at least 85% of the winning halter bred horses in today's market have Impressive in their bloodlines at least once. Working people don't want Impressive bred horses because there are so many out there that are built like halter horses and most of them cannot withstand a real horse's workload. Among non-halter people, Impressive has become a bit of a stigma, even if they are tested negative.

If the advertisements I have seen are any indication, breeders care little whether the horse is N/H or not. It's all about whether they have the muscles to win. Take Kid Clu for example; he has tested N/H but has still sired hundreds of colts.
Kid Clu Quarter Horse (you can click on "Reports" and select "Progeny" to see a list of his offspring)

And those are only the ones listed on ABP, I have no doubt that there are hundreds more.

Just like this. 5 of their advertised stallions are N/H (and there are a couple with no test status posted but they do have Impressive in their pedigree).
Quarter Horse Halter Stallions...AQHA Stallions Page 1
     
    02-06-2011, 01:50 AM
  #10
Foal
I just don't understand some of the halter horses. Some of them look SO unnatural its scary! Like this: And this is a MARE! How do horses like this even move properly??

     

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