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Breeding a trotter to a natural pacer?

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    05-29-2013, 01:01 PM
Oh get off it. Seriously.
, that's what I've learned, too. Grew up around old time Walking Horses, and this seems to be the way gaits were gotten out of nongaited mares.
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    05-29-2013, 01:07 PM
The foundation sire of the TWH, Allan F-1, aka Black Allan, was a Standard Bred. His sire was Allandorf, and his grandsire was Onward ,who was the most famous Standard Bred in that time. Allen was foaled in 1886 and was listed in the American Trotting Register.
Once Mr. Brantley got him, he was bred to numerous bloodlines in hopes of creating this new breed called a 'plantation horse'. His cross with the trotting Saddlebred mare, Gertrude produced Roan Allen (spelling change) and that is where it all started.
    05-29-2013, 01:08 PM
So, it seems legit that cross pace with trot gets a decent medium to work with. Trotty colts are easier to develop a gait on than pacey colts, so you better pray for a trotty one. Lol.
    05-29-2013, 01:24 PM
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Now were both the sires parents pacers, what about the dam? That may affect what you get too, or at least I think it would.
    05-29-2013, 01:46 PM
I keep trying to edit posts, just realized I can't. Before anyone else comments or PM's me about the first thing I posted. I don't want this to get more off topic. There was nothing meant by that post against anyone. Sorry it came off as rude. Now let's stay on subject from here on.

Honeysuga, I know the stallion the OP is breeding to, and I know his sire was a very good gaiter. Google the TWH "Last Chance", that is this guys sire. I'm not sure about his dam, though.
    05-29-2013, 05:37 PM
Originally Posted by TheNinja    
So, it seems legit that cross pace with trot gets a decent medium to work with. Trotty colts are easier to develop a gait on than pacey colts, so you better pray for a trotty one. Lol.
I don't know what you would consider a "deep walker person" to be, but all I do is ride and train and show walkers.

In my experience, I'd rather a pacey baby then a trotty baby. It is way easier to get a pacey horse to work up to a good run walk.

I wouldn't even breed a mare who trots, that doesn't make sense to me. It's a crap shoot if you will get a gaited baby.

But I'm sure The Ninja will have something smart to say about that, because they know everything about walkers.
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    05-29-2013, 05:50 PM
I honestly do not know a lot about walkers but wouldn't a gaited foal be more valuable then non gaited?
    05-29-2013, 07:07 PM
Please, people, can we just get back on topic here? This is why I hate posting anything on this forum, people take things others say personally, even after the person who they think 'wronged' them apologized, etc... TheNinja wasn't in the wrong to state what she did, she was merely stating her opinion about the topic and the replies I might get.

Honestly, I was hesitant to post this thread here regardless, because, in my experience, there aren't a lot of TWH people who are members on here.

Please, let's just get back on topic and quit bashing people over their own opinions. :) whether it's TheNinja for expressing what she's found to be true to her in her years as a member of the forum of me, for choosing to breed a nongaited TWH mare to a gaited (pacey) TWH stallion.
    05-29-2013, 10:40 PM
Well having bred Standardbreds for a few years (not sure what a Standard Bred is :)) I can say that trotters are regarded as easier to get to canter and harder to get to rack. It seems that pacing bred horses have an easier time performing the racking type gaits Ie. Running walk, single footing. Then again, its highly unusual in my breed of choice (standardbreds) to breed a pacer to a trotter. This is largely because trotting bred horses are bred to trot and pacing bred horses are bred to pace and you either want one or the other. Most standardbred folks are not breeding specifically for a racking type gait so how you would "breed for it" is somewhat unknown. I do have a trotter that flunked at the track who single foots but I attribute that less to genetics and more to him being a weirdo. That said, there are exceptions I suppose but usually if you have a pacing bred horse that wants to trot you put hobbles on and it learns to pace. Walkers might be different but I am not familiar with that breed. For what its worth, if you want a racking horse why not just breed to a horse that racks. I don't mean that in a snotty way I am just curious.

For what its worth, I have never heard of Onward I have heard of his sire George Wilkes and that horses sire Hambletonion. So, I learned something new. In that time Onward may have been the most famous; however, compared to the horses that sandwich his generation being hambletonion at one end and Dan Patch on the other in 1896, it may not be the most accurate statement. Dan Patch was by far the most famous horse of that time frame considering time frame to be turn of the century. Then again some will argue that Dan Patch was the most famous horse ever. That said I am sure Onward was very well respected in the walker world.
    05-30-2013, 12:08 AM
I agree with Major, why would you breed a trotter in a breed that is not supposed to trot? To a pacer also doesnt make sense to me.
When breeding you want to make the best choice in order to get a foal that meets your needs. If you want a pacer breed a pacer to a pacer. A trotter breed two horses that trot.
With the combination you have decided on there is a greater chance this foal will disappoint you.
Walker breeders or not that is just common sense. Shalom

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