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        04-04-2011, 08:50 PM
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    Foal
    Buying Colts (Not sure if this is the right board)

    So I have worked with racehorses for a long time now, and my old boss who I keep in touch with rang me the other day to let me know that their colts, Silky Warrior and Dee Jay Hennessy were facing retirement and wanted to know if I wanted them(they always give me discounts on their horses). Here are their stats. Silky Warrior is retiring because the owner is getting out fo racing and he hasn't done enough to get other people interested, and Brumby is too slow. Note, our breeding season starts August 1st here.

    SILKY WARRIOR
    -Born 6th of September 2007
    -By Honour's List (IRE)
    -Out of Sky News (by Celestial Bounty)
    -Won $10,900 on the track (hence his impending retirement)
    -About 16 hands high
    -Generally very good conformation but has a bit of a short back
    -Good temper. Doesn't require a stallion chain or bit to lead (although they use one for safety)
    -Manners! He has fantastic manners. No bossiness or pushiness

    DEE JAY HENNESSY
    -Born 24th of September 2007
    By Half Hennessey (USA)
    Out of Zalinus
    No race starts, but he's had jump outs (time trials) and finished last
    About 15.2 hands
    Quite a small build; but all in proportian (sp?)
    Not yet registered
    Deadly quiet, but can be a touch spooky when ridden out.
    Very shy colt. Not nervous, but he's never been told off because he's never even tried to do anything remotely naughty.

    Both colts have been stabled and trained together their whole life. Best buddies :)

    I have handled plenty of stallions as a stud hand so I know I can handle them. I have stallion facilities (colt-proof boxes/stalls, yards, and fields)
    Question is, is it worth getting one or both? Could I put either to public stud? And, most important, will they get rowdier and more stallion like as they age?
         
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        04-04-2011, 09:47 PM
      #2
    Green Broke
    Maybe geld the non-raced stallion?
         
        04-04-2011, 09:58 PM
      #3
    Foal
    Yes, I was thinking that, but only because of non-performance
         
        04-04-2011, 09:58 PM
      #4
    Foal
    Yes Stallions get more stallion like with age and will test more and more. They need strong consistent training. These guys are just babies they will become more confident with age.
         
        04-04-2011, 10:48 PM
      #5
    Foal
    From what it looks like the second one would be better off gelded and trained to ride for pleasure (or competition... you know. Whichever.)

    The first... could be put up for stud if he became a proven producer. Some people would take a chance with him and you never know. Maybe he'll produce some stunners. :)
         
        04-04-2011, 11:04 PM
      #6
    Foal
    Yes Nifty (Silky Warrior) wouldn't be very popular but I want to train him for jumping or some other english sport in case he has a hidden talent. As for Brumby (Dee Jay Hennessy), well....looks like his man bits are coming off! XD
         
        04-05-2011, 10:37 AM
      #7
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by MadamKing    
    So I have worked with racehorses for a long time now, and my old boss who I keep in touch with rang me the other day to let me know that their colts, Silky Warrior and Dee Jay Hennessy were facing retirement and wanted to know if I wanted them(they always give me discounts on their horses). Here are their stats. Silky Warrior is retiring because the owner is getting out fo racing and he hasn't done enough to get other people interested, and Brumby is too slow. Note, our breeding season starts August 1st here.

    SILKY WARRIOR
    -Born 6th of September 2007
    -By Honour's List (IRE)
    -Out of Sky News (by Celestial Bounty)
    -Won $10,900 on the track (hence his impending retirement)
    -About 16 hands high
    -Generally very good conformation but has a bit of a short back
    -Good temper. Doesn't require a stallion chain or bit to lead (although they use one for safety)
    -Manners! He has fantastic manners. No bossiness or pushiness

    DEE JAY HENNESSY
    -Born 24th of September 2007
    By Half Hennessey (USA)
    Out of Zalinus
    No race starts, but he's had jump outs (time trials) and finished last
    About 15.2 hands
    Quite a small build; but all in proportian (sp?)
    Not yet registered
    Deadly quiet, but can be a touch spooky when ridden out.
    Very shy colt. Not nervous, but he's never been told off because he's never even tried to do anything remotely naughty.

    Both colts have been stabled and trained together their whole life. Best buddies :)

    I have handled plenty of stallions as a stud hand so I know I can handle them. I have stallion facilities (colt-proof boxes/stalls, yards, and fields)
    Question is, is it worth getting one or both? Could I put either to public stud? And, most important, will they get rowdier and more stallion like as they age?
    Sorry but something does not ring true here......you say you have lots experience with stallions yet you need to ask the question above.......it is something an experienced stallion handler should already know.

    Neither sound spectacular........geld both.

    Super Nova
         
        04-05-2011, 06:32 PM
      #8
    Foal
    I asked that question as the ones I have worked with have been educated performance stallions, NOT racehorses! I have only worked with racing colts. Also, they might be spectacular at eventing, or dressage, or anything other than racing so gelding the grey is definitely not on the cards
         
        04-11-2011, 08:21 AM
      #9
    Foal
    Improperly handled racing colts are nasty SOB's (pushy 5yo standardbred stallion, anyone?), but it sounds like these guys have had the right handlers. I used to work in a racing stable that had quite a few older colts/stallions that were still racing. However, from what you've said about these colts, you may find that 'NIFTY' will start to assert his dominant side in an unwanted manner if you don't continue to handle him in the same manner as in the racing stable. It's a lot harder to comment on 'BRUMBY,' as shy colts can either remain shy when away from a yard full of horses, or he may discover he has a voice when he's not being told to shut his pie hole by everyone else.

    Being stabled together means nothing - most racing stables don't have the space to spread out their colts between the geldings. However, it may mean they will be much calmer around mares because they're used to them bouncing around the joint. If you want to see one of the worst examples of how bad a stallion can really be, do some research on the Sir Ivor stallion, Sir Tristram. He threw the studmaster's brother clean over a fence, and was a notoriously tricky horse to serve (if he didn't like a mare, well then, he did not like that mare and various tricks like covering with his favorite girl's scent or using a teaser mare had to be used to get the job done). That said, Sir T was, and still is, one of the most influential stallions in the southern hemisphere.

    On the subject of their potential, there's not much I can say. I would suggest giving them a chance, since their conformation sounds acceptable. If, say, one of them turns out to be a spectacular jumper then consider keeping him entire. If not, then remove the offending part of his anatomy and find him another job. I could definitely see Brumby going into polo once gelded, if he's got a nippy bit of speed to go with his size and shows confidence under saddle. As you probably already know, TBs can do anything. However, if they can't do anything in a spectacular way, or can't prove themselves worthy of the extra handling and specific environment required of a stallion, then I say geld them both.

    FYI, when I said give them a chance, I don't mean just a week or two. It's entirely up to you, but I might give them a bit of time to come down from race fitness (and whatever drugs they've been given) then see what they can do. You might want to give them a six month run then bring them back and test them. Either way, you should be sure they're going to amount to something before trying to market them at stud.

    Also, I love Nifty's pedigree, but I'm a sucker for Danehill and his sons, especially Doubty and the Rock. It's also no surprise he's got a short back with that sort of pedigree, and if I might make a suggestion, give him a go at jumping - I know a few people who also have Dane-bred eventers and jumpers that did well, though Grosvenor eventers are more common in NZ now.

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    Yes Stallions get more stallion like with age and will test more and more. They need strong consistent training. These guys are just babies they will become more confident with age.
    As for that comment, well, maybe you should learn to count as these colts are four year olds, not two year olds. Thoroughbreds are fast maturing horses, physically and mentally. Handled consistently and firmly, they should be fine temperament wise.
         
        04-11-2011, 04:31 PM
      #10
    Foal
    Welll, thanks to all! I have the two now, after finding a very suitable place and trainer for them to train under. They arrived two weeks ago. Nifty, as it turns out, is very, very flexible. As he already knew his basic dressage (the person who broke him insisted it was a good foundation for any horse), he learnt leg yield (both directions) and has come down on the bit (properly, not having his head pulled down) in his first two lessons! Very proud of him; we think he might three-day event as my trainer had his own horse by Nifty's sire (Honour's List) that took him to 3 star level when he was starting out.

    Brumby looked very much like a brumby when I got him, as he'd been spelling in the paddock. He had a very long mane full of tangles. After a clean up, we have schooled him on the flat and found he much prefers jumping. He is getting more dominant, not to humans, but other horses (he tried to attack Nifty when a mare was led past them to her paddock), so the little mite has found his voice, but unfortunately that means his bits are probably coming off. I can't have him being nasty. Nifty's lucky - his get to stay for the time being. Both have very, very wide bodies and with lovely cresty necks and I would love to tell you more but I need to go clean some boxes haha. Oh and Nifty is now 16.3hh (big boy!) and Brumby is around the same which is lucky because Brum was always runty

    Will keep updating as time goes on if you all like.
         

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