Carmen's Pregnancy Thread

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  • 9 month colt mare pregnant undescended?
  • Pregnant carmen

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    06-18-2012, 01:29 PM
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Carmen's Pregnancy Thread

Well lets start with how this happened..

Frankly im not even SURE how it happened. We noticed Carmen getting bigger and bigger, and suspected her to be pregnant, we hauled her to the vet for a palpitation and an ultra sound, he looks at us and says congratulations our a mom.... he says she is about 8 months pregnant.

First of all we have NO stud, and have had NO stud near our pasture, we have also had Carmen for going on 4 years. Now. We did have a Jack in a seperate pasture, he escaped his pasture into the horses pasture, however we were notified as soon as he broke out as we have people watching the place, he was put back into his rightful pasture within 30 minutes of his breaking in. In which case he was no where near the horses because they kept running him off. This was around octoberish, which would put us at the 8 month mark.

The only other choice is we got a black pony GELDING around this same time, we've checked him and he is a gelding, but he did ride our mares occasionally. We no longer have him either as we found him a home.

If we could have prevented this we would. And if it wasn't to late to abort the foal, we would. We do NOT want the risk of loosing my mom's mare but at the moment we have no choice except to give her the best care as possible to keep her healthy, our vet has agreed to be on call for us in which case we need help. I hope it doesn't come to that. Carmen is dry lotted in a paddock off of grass, and getting Orchard Grass Hay,

The vet said she was due early to mid September, which is a bit late in the year but we've already bought a foal sized blanket as that is when the temperatures around here start to drop. I will update occasionally as we go along, and more frequently as it gets closer to time.

Here are the 2 possible Sire's

And Romeo

And of course Carmen in her paddock

And here is a photo from May

And then from June 13th
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    06-18-2012, 01:39 PM
I am going to say the jack.. 30 minutes is plenty of time to breed a mare in standing heat. The other horses might have run him off, but the jack would have most likely been happy to have him to breed her.
The gelding, even if he had one testicle inside his belly may have acted like a stud, but his sperm would not have been viable.. He could not get a mare pregnant.
I bet you have a cute little long eared baby in September.
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    06-18-2012, 01:49 PM
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My mom is honestly hoping for a long eared baby, but I honestly hope not. I don't have the ability to train a mule from the ground up, I can handle horses, and have trained 3 foals from the ground up. Carmen was the one running him off, but I honestly hope there is some miracle and it was Romeo,
    06-18-2012, 02:23 PM
Your mare is cute!

Could the pony gelding have been a cryptorchid and you just maybe thought he was gelded?
    06-18-2012, 03:14 PM
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Its a possiblity. He came from a string of homes where parents wanted to have them broke for their kids, but no one could break him. We finally broke him and got him kid safe, and found him a home, sometime in the past he was neglected because he has a huge scar on his face from an embedded halter. But that is a definitely possibility.
    06-21-2012, 11:44 AM
I'm guessing it is the jack as well. Much more likely. Even as a cryptorchid, the "gelding" would have stallion tendencies, but would still be sterile, as testicles need to drop to work correctly. A retained one would not be sufficient to breed a mare.

In any case, I'm sorry for the unfortunate breeding. Talk about an interesting situation.
    06-21-2012, 11:53 AM
Cryptorchid's can breed like a stallion, can act like a stallion, but are sterile.. No chance he got her, it has to be the jack.
    06-21-2012, 12:38 PM
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Thats what I always thought, but wasn't there a famous Crypto stallion that was breeding? I may be wrong and it may be hearsay, but I thought there was. Either way im hoping for a miracle and having a horse not a mule lol only time will tell.
    06-21-2012, 01:30 PM
I believe A P Indy is chryptorchid, but he still had one normal testicle to produce viable sperm. They do believe that is why he became sterile so early in his stud duties.
A undescended testicle up in the belly can't make viable sperm. Whether horse, dog, man, whatever, the testicle has to be down in the scrotum, outside the body to keep and produce viable sperm
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    06-21-2012, 01:39 PM
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Ah ok! This makes much more sense with 1 descended testicle and one retained testicle. However impossible it may be I am still hoping against a mule, sure they are cute. And turn out to be really sturdy animals. Im just not sure how to handle all the brains they have.

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