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    01-29-2012, 08:08 PM
  #11
Yearling
Forgot to mention that the mares you breed your stud to will have a huge effect in the type of fillies you get, in order for the cross to be successful, the mares the fillies are out of will need to be similar in bloodlines to your stud, can't have a lot of variation or it backfires. For example, if you used a barrel type of a line for the mare you breed your stud to, the filly out of that cross will be completely different than what you are going for and a cross between that filly and the other stud mentioned above would not produce the same results.
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    01-30-2012, 08:38 PM
  #12
Trained
Do not start a breeding program with a stallion. You will not make any money that way. Unless you buy an older already well proven stallion but even then you will need to still put a lot of money into advertising. Go out and buy a good mare. A well bred and proven mare. Then let someone ealse prove and promote the stallion and you use that stallion. By the time you buy a stallion prospect train it show it proven it so you can attract good mares then pay for all the promotion the cost of standing him. You will not make any money. However if you get a well bred mare prove her you do not have all the added cost of promoting and such. You will do much better with good mares then you will with stallions unless you can afford a really really good well proven stallion to begine with.
     
    01-30-2012, 08:59 PM
  #13
Trained
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Originally Posted by trainerunlimited    
You pick a stallion with a shorter back/or vise versa. For instance, my mare, for a reiner/cutter is a little long, so I picked RC fancy step because he is much shorter coupled, hoping for something in the middle. She is also a smaller mare and not very wide, (although not a twig either) I prefer a horse a little more stocky, so that was another reason why I picked RC, he is a beast!!! To me, he will complement every aspect of my mare.
You don't pick a stallion that has polar opposite to your mare. If, as in this example, your mare has a long back, the stallion you pick should have a PERFECT back. Not a short back. It's not like mixing paint - blend two colours to get a third colour. If you breed a long backed mare to a short backed stallion, you have more chance of getting a long or short backed foal, rather than one with a correct back.
     
    01-30-2012, 09:05 PM
  #14
Trained
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Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
You don't pick a stallion that has polar opposite to your mare. If, as in this example, your mare has a long back, the stallion you pick should have a PERFECT back. Not a short back. It's not like mixing paint - blend two colours to get a third colour. If you breed a long backed mare to a short backed stallion, you have more chance of getting a long or short backed foal, rather than one with a correct back.
I agree. I have seen some train wrecks by people thinking this. You also have to look at the whole picture of the horses back. Is it the back that is long the loin the hip? There are many factors you must look at.
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    01-30-2012, 09:12 PM
  #15
Trained
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Originally Posted by trainerunlimited    
Yep, it just depends on what you are going to use them for. Reiners/cutters need to be compact to be successful, while if you check out the hunt seat horses the AQHA are breeding now they are lean mean fighting machines and are much longer than others. It is so interesting when breeding types. For instance, used to be cutters/reiners looked for near the same thing, now they are branching off into slightly different looks/conformations that are more successful for each discipline.

Then how do you explane Hollywood Dun It and Custom Chrom and their get? People put so much into long backed vs short backed horses in reining and reined cow horse yet some of the best lines are more towards the long backed side. There is more to it then just how long the back is.
     
    01-30-2012, 09:16 PM
  #16
Trained
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Originally Posted by MyLittlePonies    
The mare that was bred to VS Code Red was my stallion's half sister through the sire. My stud is Me Too Radical, sired by Radical Rodder. RV Flashy N Radical shares the same sire.

Not nesicaraly. What is the bottom side of the get? Same stallion means nothing. Now if it was the same mare I would put more efices on it. Same stallion I would put very little on. Take stallions like Nu Chex To Cash. His best cross was on One Gun/Mr Gun Smoke mares. Other crosses not so good. So you can take 2 of his get one out of a Gun Smoke mare and the other out of anouther bred mare the resulting foals are going to be very differnt. NCC needs a strong mare. So at the end of the day just b/c one cross is good does not mean the next will be even if you stay with in the same discipline.
     
    01-30-2012, 10:46 PM
  #17
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
You don't pick a stallion that has polar opposite to your mare. If, as in this example, your mare has a long back, the stallion you pick should have a PERFECT back. Not a short back. It's not like mixing paint - blend two colours to get a third colour. If you breed a long backed mare to a short backed stallion, you have more chance of getting a long or short backed foal, rather than one with a correct back.

I didn't say pick a horse with a short back, I said shorter. Hoping to get something closer to perfect. It doesn't even make sense to breed something short to something long, I guess I should have clarified a lot better.
     
    01-30-2012, 10:51 PM
  #18
Yearling
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
Then how do you explane Hollywood Dun It and Custom Chrom and their get? People put so much into long backed vs short backed horses in reining and reined cow horse yet some of the best lines are more towards the long backed side. There is more to it then just how long the back is.

I was leaning more towards the differences in an english horse and a reiner/cutter, where you can clearly see the difference in conformation. I don't really think either of those horses are long backed, they are a bit longer, but not abnormally so for what you look for in a cutter/reiner discipline.
     
    01-31-2012, 12:18 AM
  #19
Trained
So you do not consider this long??

     
    01-31-2012, 12:23 AM
  #20
Trained
Yes, long back, but look at his gaskins!
     

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