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  • What color can you get when you breed silver bay to palomino?
  • Can you get a grulla from black and bay parents

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    06-09-2013, 01:03 AM
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Foal
Color question

I have a simple question. Can a sorrel and a palomino produce a bay? The sorrel has a sire and grandsire that is black. I am not sure of palomino pedigree yet
     
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    06-09-2013, 01:44 AM
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No, a sorrel and a palomino will not produce a bay no matter what color the parents of either stallion or mare were.

If you breed a sorrel and a palomino, the only colors you can get is a 50% chance of palomino and a 50% chance of sorrel/chestnut

Bay horses carry the black gene which is dominant, it does not hide or skip a generation. Neither the palomino or sorrel have a black gene. The only difference between the sorrel and palomino is that the palomino has a cream gene that modified their red coat.
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    06-09-2013, 01:46 AM
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Oh, and welcome to the forum
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    06-09-2013, 01:51 AM
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Foal
Im not sure how it happened then because I have a BAY from a sorrel and a palomino ......Im sooooooooooo confused and TY for the welcome
     
    06-09-2013, 02:47 AM
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Im not sure how it happened then because I have a BAY from a sorrel and a palomino ......Im sooooooooooo confused and TY for the welcome
It isn't possible... You may want to check to make sure a different stallion didn't cover the mare or the genetic coat colors of the parents... Or your baby is a liver chestnut. Would love to see pictures
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    06-09-2013, 09:11 AM
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No just as Sunnydraco explained. Either the sire isn't who you think or one or the other isn't the color you think. Pics of all three would be helpful.
     
    06-09-2013, 09:23 AM
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Trained
Okay...I'll post what I put on your OTHER thread about the same issue...

Either he is indeed ee based.........

Or some other stallion was out having some fun about 11 months ago. Could have even been a ungelded yearling, 10 month old, 2 year old etc. it happens!

If the sire was palomino, dam is chestnut, bay is genetically impossible. Absolutely no way, no how.

Pull some tail hairs, send it in for base color testing. If it comes back that he isnt e/e, you have been absolutely 2000000 percent lied to regarding who the sire is.

Regarding what the vet said about one 'popping up every once in awhile' well...I bred my chesnut mare to a grulla. And my vet said 'oh, you could get a palomino!' and was very adament about it. But no, you could not get palomino because neither sire, nor dam, carries any sort of cream gene.

And the reason why they 'pop up' is due to a mare being bred by another horse and the owners not knowing or too irresponsible to realize their ungelded yearling can indeed, use what he's got.
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    06-09-2013, 01:14 PM
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Is he just a newborn? Sometimes newborns have funky colors as they start out..
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    06-10-2013, 01:17 PM
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Would love to see pictures
     
    06-11-2013, 04:44 PM
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Yearling
Is it possible the stud was not palomino but silver bay? I know it's not likely, but sometimes they can look similar to palominos like this guy who is listed as a silver bay. If he's mis-registered as a palomino, that would explain how you got your bay. Colour experts can correct me as well as I'm still learning the intricacies of coat colours.

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