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post #1 of 45 Old 07-14-2010, 03:20 PM Thread Starter
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Color Question - Tovero? Or what?

I have a paint cross gelding who was listed as a tobiano when I got him, but I seriously doubt he's a tobiano. His markings aren't as "clear-cut" as true tobianos I've seen, and I noticed he's got white markings on the underside of his head and neck that are localized within his color. Here are pictures for you. :) I'd love any insights you all can provide!
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post #2 of 45 Old 07-14-2010, 03:39 PM
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He could be considered a tovero, but I would call him more of a tobiano.

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post #3 of 45 Old 07-14-2010, 03:41 PM
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I'd say he could very well be a Tovero as he seems to display characteristics of both patters, although at first glance he mostly resembles a Tobiano which is why he was listed as one.

Some characteristics of a Tovero colored horse include:
  • Dark pigmentation around the ears, sometimes called a "Medicine Hat" or a "War bonnet"
  • Dark pigmentation around the ears, expanding to cover the forehead and/or eyes.
  • Isolated "shield" dark markings completely surrounded by white, particularly on the face or chest.
  • One or both eyes blue.
  • Dark pigmentation around the mouth, which may extend up the sides of the face and form spots.
  • Chest spot(s) in varying sizes. These may also extend up the neck.
  • Flank spot(s) ranging in size. These are often accompanied by smaller spots that extend forward across the barrel, and up over the loin.
  • Spots, varying in size, at the base of the tail.

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post #4 of 45 Old 07-14-2010, 04:55 PM
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He is definitely a tovero. He is Tobiano + Splash(or frame). Tobiano generally leaves the head solid, facial markings are put on by overo patterns. Here is a site that explains it very well: White Patterns | Learn to Identify Horse Colors and Learn Color Genetics, Discussion Forum, Photo Gallery
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Thanks for the site. Very informative.

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He is definitely a tovero. He is Tobiano + Splash(or frame). Tobiano generally leaves the head solid, facial markings are put on by overo patterns. Here is a site that explains it very well: White Patterns | Learn to Identify Horse Colors and Learn Color Genetics, Discussion Forum, Photo Gallery
Uhh...no tobiano does not generally leave the head solid. You need to do a little more research if you are going to act like you are 100% sure. Now you can have a splash tobiano, but it is not from the overo pattern. What you are saying would make every horse with a face marking from the overo gene? That doesn't even work. Since this horse is a paint cross... APHA.Com - The Breed They have all the patterns on there.

What were the parents of this horse? The only way he is a tovero is if the sire or dam were a tovero if he isn't full paint or a paint/pinto colored horse cross. Both parents would have had to be tovero or one a tobiano and one an overo. So i'm guessing he's half paint half "some solid colored horse...not paint bred".

Let's just say dad was solid and mom was a tovero. The resulting foal would have a better chance of being a tobiano than a tovero...it's hard to pass it on like that, but it's definately possible.

Anywho, as said before he could be a tovero, but tobiano is more likely. He sure is cute though.

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What were the parents of this horse? The only way he is a tovero is if the sire or dam were a tovero if he isn't full paint or a paint/pinto colored horse cross. Both parents would have had to be tovero or one a tobiano and one an overo. So i'm guessing he's half paint half "some solid colored horse...not paint bred".

Let's just say dad was solid and mom was a tovero. The resulting foal would have a better chance of being a tobiano than a tovero...it's hard to pass it on like that, but it's definately possible.
He could be purebred but never registered for all I know. As a yearling he was left abandoned on some property and the Welsh breeders next door contacted authorities, but since nobody claimed him they were allowed to take him. From there he passed through two other owners, both friends of mine, but neither have figured anything else out about him, really. :)

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Anywho, as said before he could be a tovero, but tobiano is more likely. He sure is cute though.
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Actually a tobiano is really only a tobiano if no face white is apparent. Overo causes the face white ;) It's just APHA that does it differently.

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Uhhh....AnnaLover...it doesn't look like APHA does it any differently...

Horse Tobiano
Horse911.com / INFO: Identifying Tobiano And Overo Pintos
Tobiano - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Tobiano
Coloured Tobiano - Coloured Thoroughbred Stud North Yorkshire
Tobiano, Overo, Sabino, Tovero
Equine Color Genetics
Nebraska Pinto Horse Association
http://www.heritagefarmpasofino.com/...t%20Colors.pdf

So what would you call a "tobiano'' patterned horse with a blaze, strip, star, or snip? Because you are saying it's something different. But I went to a bunch of different websites describing tobiano and none of them said for tobiano the head is completely solid. So i'm very curious where you got that information or what the answer to my above question is. ;)

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Just one thread I could find ATM: I am very confused... face white on tobiano's - Horse Forums (HGS)

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