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        07-16-2010, 03:35 PM
      #21
    Green Broke
    My aunt breeds APHA horses & all of hers are Tobianos (her husband doesn't like Overos for some silly reason) & nearly every one of them has some white on its face, whether it's a star, snip of blaze.
    I was looking through one of her Paint breeding books & although there is still some debate, a Tobiano is thought to be a grey/white horse with patches of color whereas an Overo is a colored horse with patches of white. So it would make sense for a Tobiano to have some facial markings as well as white legs (which is VERY common).
         
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        07-16-2010, 09:43 PM
      #22
    Foal
    I'm going to say he carries tobiano/splash/frame and definitely sabino. Be worth testing. Sabino and frame will keep the white off the eyes and add to jagged markings(IE: no blue eyes) but splash will call for high leg whites and belly and the white under the jaw. He may not even carry frame, but only sabino/splash -- definitely test though. It's worth the money and fun!

    Tovero for sure! But APHA will classify as a tobiano because of their self-outlined rules unless you can provide genetic testing that states otherwise :)
         
        07-17-2010, 12:09 AM
      #23
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lilruffian    
    My aunt breeds APHA horses & all of hers are Tobianos (her husband doesn't like Overos for some silly reason) & nearly every one of them has some white on its face, whether it's a star, snip of blaze.
    I was looking through one of her Paint breeding books & although there is still some debate, a Tobiano is thought to be a grey/white horse with patches of color whereas an Overo is a colored horse with patches of white. So it would make sense for a Tobiano to have some facial markings as well as white legs (which is VERY common).
    You're thinking of Piebald and Skewbald.

    AnnaLover and CheyAut hit it on the nail. I posted Equine Color already. And it is also still in debate whether completely solid horses with facial/leg markings carry sabino/splash.

    Dakota, have you never seen two horses with just high whites and face markings throw an overo foal? I have. Please look into that site more. And I also never said definitely leaves the head solid, I said generally.
         
        07-17-2010, 12:13 AM
      #24
    Weanling
    I think he's a tovero
         
        07-18-2010, 02:31 AM
      #25
    Yearling
    Thanks for the input everyone. Granted, he's not registerable/breedable, but it's still fun to know.
         
        07-19-2010, 03:15 AM
      #26
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DakotaLuv    
    I am still seeing no research done on this. This is what that website says...
    Tobiano

    "Tobiano is probably the best recognized white pattern. It is a dominant characteristic, meaning that if only one parent carries tobiano the foal will have a 50% change of inheriting it. It tends to affect the legs, shoulders and hips, and leave the barrel of the horse colored. It can cross the top line and where it does, it will cross at the hip and shoulder first. Tobiano alone is thought to leave the face solid, but very few horses carry tobiano without having one of the other white patterns as well."

    From what I have read from that website. It is THOUGHT to leave the face solid...if this was proven true they wouldn't have added that. If this were true then every single breed that has some form of face marking carries an overo gene. It just doesn't work.
    You're certainly argumentative considering you don't seem to have much a clue what you're talking about.

    Regardless of IF tobiano can cause face white or not, THIS particular horse is blatantly tovero - his body displays classic tobiano markings, but his head is an entirely different story. Some people will argue that tobiano causes either NO face white or NORMAL face white - he is blatantly not normal face white.

    In all the genetic research, what they are saying, is that to this date, they have NOT found a tobiano with face white that didn't also have an overo gene. So of all the MILLIONS of horses tested, they haven't yet found a single horse that was thought to be tobiano and had face white. The conclusion comes from years of research and the only reason they haven't declared it as fact yet is because they haven't been able to dissect the gene to prove without any possible doubt that it's true.

    And actually, for your information, we know so LITTLE about equine genetics that all arrows are actually pointing to "solid" horses actually carrying a form of sabino that restricts white to only the legs and face. Do you ever wonder why breeds like Friesians have NO white? If leg and face markings were standard, you wouldn't be able to weed them out in a breed. There is obviously a gene causing them, and with what we DO know about equine color, it's believed we will likely locate a form of sabino that does not cause body white - effectively making MOST horses technically pinto, but with an inability to produce a body marked pinto.

    Maybe you should learn a little more before getting an attitude with the color experts on the forum?
         
        07-20-2010, 12:45 AM
      #27
    Foal
    Hey this site is a great help..i likes :)
         
        07-20-2010, 01:11 AM
      #28
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
    You're certainly argumentative considering you don't seem to have much a clue what you're talking about.
    Maybe you should learn a little more before getting an attitude with the color experts on the forum?
    Oh good Lord. :roll: ....the color experts on the forum. Haha
         
        07-20-2010, 07:23 PM
      #29
    Green Broke
    It's cute how instead of facing the fact that you're completely wrong and attempting to start a fight over things you couldn't be bothered to actually study before assuming you know everything about, you choose to just laugh at the people who DO know who they're talking about.


         
        07-22-2010, 07:46 AM
      #30
    Foal
    Wow!! My problem is solves. My horse is a true tobiano :)
         

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