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        04-14-2009, 08:43 AM
      #11
    Weanling
    Im pretty new here and yes I was taken aback by some of the rude responses that are posted over and over regarding breeding.

    I have learned over the years the best way to educate someone is not by attacking them. Once you do that the other person stops listening. Its not what you say its how you say it! And no Im not saying to make everything butterflies and roses but you don't have to constantly beat someone over the head either.

    We do breed our horses and we do it very selectively. I have a waiting list for foals and we show and promote our farm. And no I don't breed for 20 foals a year the most we have ever had in one year is 5.

    My best advice for someone wanting to get into breeding horses is to watch some marestare online cameras. YOu will see the best and the worst of what happens.

    Foaling season is something I so look forward to and dread at the same time. Its the single most stressful time of the year for me. Im always so relieved when its over.

    Our goal is to improve the breed and to produce the very best horse we can. Now having said that you can breed best to best and still get mediocre. Its not an easy goal like some think it is. There is so much research that goes into planning a breeding.
         
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        04-14-2009, 10:40 AM
      #12
    Showing
    I want to say that I participate in number of forums (related and non-related to horses), and HF is the most nice and polite one. Even the critique section 99% of the time is very nice.

    I agree with Joshie that "disagreeing" does NOT mean "being rude". OK, some people are more straight than others, but in the end they are free to bring up their own opinion (in a nice way).

    Breeding (whether horses, dogs, cats, etc.) involves the LIVE animals, not cars, not PCs, not garbage cans. So the breeder IS responsible for what (s)he is doing and (in principle) the FUTURE of the live creature (s)he created. That's just my opinion I stand.

    I have NO PROBLEM at all with the breeder knowing what (s)he is doing (and I know there is a number of such breeders on this forum). I also know the local person, who crossed her nice grade mare couple times and her foals went to loving homes (also local, so she still checking on them and all), but unfortunately too many times it's not a case.
         
        04-14-2009, 10:41 AM
      #13
    Weanling
    Same here I was taken aback at the rude comments and what makes it even worse those doing it don't see they are being rude..however the mods do because they end up closing the thread..
         
        04-14-2009, 11:33 AM
      #14
    Weanling
    There are some rude remarks here and there. When you really read every post though, most people are mearly thinking of the horse first and foremost. I got alot of remarks about having barbed wire fencing. I didnt take it hard though I was glad they were concerned about my horses. Lets me know people here are real horse lovers and not alot of talk. It has alot to do with the frame of mind you are in. Reading type without the advantage of hearing a person's 'tone' is a scary thing. I am in customer service and there are alot of times they take my emails in a bad way because there isnt a verbal cue to tell them I am just concerned and trying to lead them in the right direction to correct their situation.

    So I would say that while some on here are first to bash someone with the "you don't know what your doing" and " you can't do that, are you crazy??", most everybody on here is really tryin to keep people pointed in the right direction with their horses and actually give some awesome advice!! Just keep thinking positive when you read and you could pick up some excellent pointers here and ther. No matter how much you know, youll never know enough and someone else will always know more!
    Sorry kinda long :)
         
        04-14-2009, 12:39 PM
      #15
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by weefoal    
    Im pretty new here and yes I was taken aback by some of the rude responses that are posted over and over regarding breeding.

    I have learned over the years the best way to educate someone is not by attacking them. Once you do that the other person stops listening. Its not what you say its how you say it! And no Im not saying to make everything butterflies and roses but you don't have to constantly beat someone over the head either.

    We do breed our horses and we do it very selectively. I have a waiting list for foals and we show and promote our farm. And no I don't breed for 20 foals a year the most we have ever had in one year is 5.

    My best advice for someone wanting to get into breeding horses is to watch some marestare online cameras. YOu will see the best and the worst of what happens.

    Foaling season is something I so look forward to and dread at the same time. Its the single most stressful time of the year for me. Im always so relieved when its over.

    Our goal is to improve the breed and to produce the very best horse we can. Now having said that you can breed best to best and still get mediocre. Its not an easy goal like some think it is. There is so much research that goes into planning a breeding.
    I agree with you on the marestare thing... I only have 3 horses 2 being mares and 1 gelding and I only breed my paint mare, because she is what I look for in a quality mare, the other one not so much so she will never be a breeder.... I also think marestare is an amazing way to get educated as well, not only can you watch mares foal even if it goes terribly wrong but it gives you the chance to talk to certain ranches and visit their message boards and get loads of information...
         
        04-14-2009, 01:05 PM
      #16
    Green Broke
    All I have to say is people have their own lives, their own money, their own horses, and their own time. What you do with it is nobody's business. But when someone asks a question, it needs to be answered, even if the outcome is bad, or negative. I realize that in all tall over the world, children are starving, wether thy are human, horse, dog, cat, polar bear, or what ever. If your opinion is to "rescue" something that is being starved, rather than to create another, your thinking in the right direction. BUT my own opinion to breed is not for anther's breeding quality. Sure, no pedigree, or anything special... but the foal's disposition would be great. Bombproof to be exact. Then the "attacks" start. AGAIN, its someone else's opinion, and everybody needs to respect it, wether it right or wrong.

    I'm not saying lets pick a a "pretty" mare and breed it to a pretty palomino (thank you JDI for the refence =p), you need to WATCH what your doing. I've seen a lot, breeding good and bad, but it all comes down to what is "right or wrong". Nothing is "right" anymore. I've always wanted to breed a mare, and just one little foal, even if its not pure, not papered, but still, it OUR farms one and only foal. Again, this arises arguemts "What if you have to sell, the foals survial will be questioned!" - I cannot tell the future, but I can tell you that I would sell my house, AND my car before I sell my ponies. I might not be making ny sense, because I haven't slept in a few days, but I hope it tells some people my opinion. Some may agree, but most will probably oppose. Oh well, my opinion, I'm glad you have your own.

    Anny <3
         
        04-14-2009, 01:19 PM
      #17
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by carriedenaee    
    I got alot of remarks about having barbed wire fencing. I didnt take it hard though I was glad they were concerned about my horses.
    Yes, I had similar experience too (not the barbered wire though). And if at first you feel little hm-hm upset then after thinking about it you realize that people are in fact concerned about your horse(s) and are not indifferent. My local horse forum is often much more -straight- than HF. Lol!
         
        04-14-2009, 01:46 PM
      #18
    Showing
    Speaking in defense of the HF and as a moderator, we try to keep as many threads as possible on target. There are some threads that become very heated and there are many members who are so passionate about certain topics that they can't see the other side of the coin.

    We moderators keep a close eye to those certain topics and need to be vigilant to the direction those threads take. Usually, they are breeding, Natural Horsemanship (Parelli in particular), slaughter, and some others.

    We try our best to keeping the HF civil and informative. We also rely on our membership to inform us of problems. It takes a lot of effort on the Administrator and the moderators to keep our forum a place where our members are happy to participate.

    I hope that everyone who comes here can be comfortable with the direction we try to keep the HF to.
         
        04-14-2009, 02:21 PM
      #19
    Showing
    I don't want to add anything other than to say to ILMP that I was not referring to her horses in any way at all in the other thread regarding a palomino horse.
         
        04-14-2009, 02:27 PM
      #20
    Trained
    I have to say that I honestly don't think HF is a rude community at all. They are alot of people (me included) that have certian veiws and we try very hard to get other people to see our views but try not to be rude about it, even though some might say we are rude, that is not our intention.

    I also have to say that debates are healthy, we just have to decided to handle them like adults!!
         

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