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        04-14-2009, 05:32 PM
      #21
    Weanling
    So what exactly were you refering to JD It about the yellow horse? You seem to say people should express their opinion as long as its the same as yours anything else you then should make remarks about the person or their horses.
         
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        04-14-2009, 06:00 PM
      #22
    Showing
    Not at all. I am all for everyone expressing their opinions... along with that, I express mine. If a person doesn't agree that is all well and good with me, it is not affecting my life.
    I offer opinions that I feel are worthwhile mentioning.

    Regarding the palomino comment, I was just saying that I'm not one to say "ooh, pretty mare, breed it with a pretty palomino stallion to see what color you get!" and ILMP thought I was referring to her horse - I was not, and I was informing her of that. (Palomino was the first "pretty" color into my head.) Rather, I encourage responsible breeding, something beyond wanting a foal just because.
    Nothing more, nothing less.

    To keep my sanity and so the mods don't have to write me up, I'm going to take my leave from this topic :)

    Happy debating!!
         
        04-14-2009, 08:05 PM
      #23
    Super Moderator
    Oops! Time for a moderator to throw in the Conscientious Etiquette Policy reminder. Please do your best to stay on track and refrain from name calling or character attacks as they will only lead to infractions and closed or removed threads.
         
        04-14-2009, 09:32 PM
      #24
    Weanling
    Seems to be a double standard in that area. One can slam what someone does and knows and call it " their opinion " while the next is called an attack.
         
        04-14-2009, 09:53 PM
      #25
    Trained
    The only thing that I have ever seen go on in this section (breeding) is people debating about resopsible breeding.

    Some people, ( Me, JDI, and others) have higher standards on what should be breed. Now I speak for myself here, sometimes I do think people that just want to breed to breed are wrong, in fact most of the time I do, but those same people also think I am wrong for thinking so.

    I like to think I'm a pretty realistic person, and I see the downfalls on over breeding. It effects me first hand. I also know that we still need new foals and that not everyone can afford a world champion bred horse. However we need a happy medium, but before that can happen people need to stop breeding everything that has a set of...well you know what I mean.

    Over breeding of horses is what sends hundreds of thousands of horses to slaughter every year. And we call ourselves horse lovers?

    I really don't believe that we should stop breeding horses all together but I do think there should be conditions..

    1) Every stallion should pass an inspection before he is able to keep his manhood.

    2)Every animal that is bred should be registered and the resulting foal should be registered as well.

    3) Breeders should have a limit on how many foals they should be allowed to have, say 10? That is still lots! We had one foal this year, two last year and one the year before...that was plenty!

    I know it sounds like a pretty communist thing to have set rules about breeding, but we honestly wouldn't need them if people would just think ahead before they decided to breed that not so attractive mare that they have out in the pasture...
         
        04-14-2009, 09:59 PM
      #26
    Weanling
    I also have very high standards on what I breed and think theres way to many hgorses in the country especially poor quality ones. But I don't think anyones right to breed what they want should be taken away or limited. It goes against everything our form of gov. Stands for and to many people have given their life to protect our rights.

    Over breeding sends horses to slaughter? I've seen no evidence of that at all. The demand for meat dertimes whats slaughtered if no one wants to eat it doesn't matter how many there are none get slaughtered. We don't slaughter cattle because theres to many we do it because theres a demand for beef. All species of livestock are the same.

    Limit how many animals one can breed? Sorry its called free enterprise and I'm very fond of it.
         
        04-14-2009, 10:26 PM
      #27
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by county    
    I also have very high standards on what I breed and think theres way to many hgorses in the country especially poor quality ones. But I don't think anyones right to breed what they want should be taken away or limited. It goes against everything our form of gov. Stands for and to many people have given their life to protect our rights.

    Over breeding sends horses to slaughter? I've seen no evidence of that at all. The demand for meat dertimes whats slaughtered if no one wants to eat it doesn't matter how many there are none get slaughtered. We don't slaughter cattle because theres to many we do it because theres a demand for beef. All species of livestock are the same.

    Limit how many animals one can breed? Sorry its called free enterprise and I'm very fond of it.
    I am done wasting my time on you, I really am.
         
        04-14-2009, 10:34 PM
      #28
    Weanling
    LOL God forbid anyone not think the way you do about something.
         
        04-15-2009, 12:27 AM
      #29
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by county    
    But I don't think anyones right to breed what they want should be taken away or limited. It goes against everything our form of gov. Stands for and to many people have given their life to protect our rights.

    Over breeding sends horses to slaughter? I've seen no evidence of that at all. The demand for meat dertimes whats slaughtered if no one wants to eat it doesn't matter how many there are none get slaughtered. We don't slaughter cattle because theres to many we do it because theres a demand for beef.
    I agree with the first part of the statement. If you take away the right to breed freely, everyone will be affected, not just the BYBs, but the responsible breeders and barns too.
    I don't know whether overbreeding sends horses to slaughter, but it tends to be the mediocre ones who go first, not the good sound flashy ones. So, by breeding a mediocre horse, and probably getting a mediocre foal, could be potentially dangerous for the foal.
         
        04-15-2009, 12:32 AM
      #30
    Weanling
    Oh for sure the less value a horse has the better the odds it goes to kill. But the odds any given horse sells for slaughter are very remote we slaughter less then 1% of the horse population each year in the U.S. Even at its peak we only did 5%.
         

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