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    10-20-2010, 08:43 PM
I expect your mares will have great foals. Keep us updated!
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    10-21-2010, 08:13 AM
You know I LOVE your mare!!! (the one you wanted to breed to Guaranteed Gold! ) but both mares are gorgeous - I don't think I've seen pictures of the other one at all!

May I suggest my new stallion Winner?

He is a HZ grey, 17.1hh Polish WB stallion, that is a flat kneed hunter type mover, that competed and won in the big Grand Prix's over in Europe and has offspring competing at the same level now in Europe?

Here is the link to Winner's page on my website and you can click on the links at the bottom of the page to take you to pictures of his hunter and jumper offspring, casual pictures of him, etc

And here are a few pictures of Winner:



And a couple of his offspring:





And a link to Jaspis - competing at the Grand Prix of Katowice:

And a picture of Imiro who is currently leading the zone in the Junior Hunter division

Winner is currently approved Gold Premium with the CSHA (Canadian Sport Horse Association) and I have also been speaking with RPSI and so far - based on his performance credentials - he qualifies for Book I. I would just need to take him to a site inspection in 2011 (which I will do) and then his 2012 foals can get RPSI papers as well.

His foals inherit his FABULOUS temperament (one lady shows hers in the jumper ring and then the next weekend takes him to her friends ranch, puts a Western saddle on him and he herds cattle!) and his beautiful movement and phenomenal athletic jump ...

Let me know if I can assist at all!
    10-21-2010, 09:33 AM
Green Broke
Sorry but I wouldnt cross to a freisian for an event horse.
You need to go for something that has the movement and ability not just the bone.

I personaly would put the mare to a small warmblood stallion or maybe an ISH or Heavier sports horse breed.

Maybe concider rather then a freisian, something like a large section D or over height connemara. Would give the foal a fabulous action, good amount of bone and would be more athletic then a freisian.

Ohh I like the stallion in the post above! He is nice!!

However for maiden mares I would not go for a stallion that is more then a hand taller then your mare or one that is significantly heavier as then you risk a very large foal with a maiden mare which is not a good combination.
    10-21-2010, 10:02 AM
however for maiden mares I would not go for a stallion that is more then a hand taller then your mare or one that is significantly heavier as then you risk a very large foal with a maiden mare which is not a good combination.
This seems to be one of those "Old Wives Tales" that never seems to want to die ...

A client bred her MAIDEN 12.1hh Welsh mare to my Guaranteed Gold stallion (16.1hh). Mare carried with no problem, foaled with no problem - the ONLY problem was that she didnt have enough milk to sustain him and had to be supplemented and past a certain point, he grew ta;ller then his dam and could no longer reach under and nurse properly ...

New Bolton did a study years ago. Bred 10 or 12 Shetland mares to a Shire stallion. All carried and foaled with no problems at all

The foal will only grow - internally - as big as the mare's uterus will allow. The size of the mare's uterus directly correlates to how big her birth canal is, so she will not produce a behemoth foal that can't fit through the birth canal.

Yes - some foals get stuck. Some get shoulder or hip locked. Some mares need help with foaling, but there is no direct correlation to that ONLY happening with big stallion / small mare combinations ... ... and from what I've seen, it also doesnt seem to matter if the mare is very slender and fine in her build and the stallion is very wide and substantial either. The only "stupidity" in doing that kind of a cross is that you are not breeding like to like and type to type and you may well get this big head, neck and legs on a fine body and the foal will be a total mish mash of parts and types ...

Ohh I like the stallion in the post above! He is nice!!
Thanks Faye - very much!
    10-21-2010, 10:06 AM
Green Broke
There have been studies done over her by Leahurst Vet school that have shown that it isnt an old wives tale.

There are many many cases of small mares, producing massive foals because the stallion they have been put to was huge.

Your friend was very lucky and It is not something that I would risk.
    10-23-2010, 12:49 PM
The problem with small mares is that they have small parts and are more prone to things getting stuck...period. It doesn't matter what the stallion size is the foal will only grow to the size of the uterus. Did their studies also cross those same mares or same size mares to same size stallions and record the instances of birthing problems? I also think that in some cases certain bloodlines are more prone to birthing problems than others. You also have to factor in age, is it maiden, was it a good weight going into pregnancy, any hereditary history of foaling problems, how was it managed throughout the pregnancy, etc.

And True you really love to kill me don't you! I like him =)

I have definitely decided on the mare you like and Don de Marco. The other I'm breeding if I have the funds and I always just really wanted a friesian cross but like I said I am open to suggestions =P. It would be doing mostly dressage with some low level eventing for fun if it showed interest in jumping. Luckily I have some time to make my final decisions =)
    10-23-2010, 01:16 PM
I like Rueben O.... mostly for his breeding and the foals he has on the for sale page are incredible. Plus Uft is apparently the best WB the dutch studbook has ever had.....
    10-24-2010, 09:32 PM
I'd just like to say that if you breed the first mare in a year or 2 to Don de Marco and the foal doesn't cost over $2000-3000 I will be trailering down to buy him/her. I absolutely love your first mare and can't wait to see her baby when you breed her and she foals.
    10-25-2010, 03:08 AM
Haha Beau that could be arranged =P

My plan is to have a spring baby and show it as a weanling at Devon. If it's born early enough then it will go to Hunters at Devon and Dressage at Devon. But mainly focusing on Dressage at Devon =P
    10-25-2010, 03:28 AM
Don de Marco only $500 stud fee? Shooooot, makes me wish Snookey was a mare! Too bad I'd be too poor to take care of a preggo mare anyway. I like Don de Marco, by the way.

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