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    07-06-2009, 10:35 PM
  #31
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Originally Posted by TrueColours    
Hello new poster CK Stud ...

I would dearly love to see an UNPHOTOSHOPPED version of that original colt so we could all make our minds up as to whether we actually liked him or not. That ***stunning head*** as you post so eloquently about has had the living beejesus photoshopped out of it as do other photo's on that same breeders site.
I don't believe that we should critique horses other than our own. I also don't think we should make comments about photoshopping. Sometimes pictures appear photoshopped when they are not and sometimes photos appear untouched when they are not.

The horse's owner did not ask for a critique. I certainly don't like it when others talk about me behind my back.

Please only request critique of yourself or your horses!

     
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    07-07-2009, 12:37 AM
  #32
Showing
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Originally Posted by Joshie    
I don't believe that we should critique horses other than our own. I also don't think we should make comments about photoshopping. Sometimes pictures appear photoshopped when they are not and sometimes photos appear untouched when they are not.

The horse's owner did not ask for a critique. I certainly don't like it when others talk about me behind my back.

Please only request critique of yourself or your horses!
Perhaps we should stop critiquing all horses that are not ours? What about those being asked about as possible purchases? I'm sure we are harsher on those horses than this one.
Personally I don't see a problem with pointing out a non-stallion quality horse.
     
    07-07-2009, 06:02 AM
  #33
Foal
OK - I need to clear up some fallacies, as I see it;

I have an imported stallion from Germany, the full brother of an impeccable bred stallion purchased at auction by Paul Schockemohle. Maybe you should go and 'Google' that name if you don't know who he is.... Here is a hint - he owns one of the most prestigious warmblood studs in the world. Many would say his is the 'best'.

If anyone is 'qualified' to make comments about a potential stallion quality, I would class myself as one of those people, I have helped many clients buy stallions from Holland and Germany, I have also helped many clients find stallions suitable to breed with. So JustDressage what makes you a suitable candidate to comment on anything besides the fact your talking about chalk and cheese.

ALSO I am a magazine publisher who does all her own graphic design with photoshop and alike, and 'yes' whilst there is minor changes make to the photo to help make him look his best ie taken the lead and handler out of the pic - YOU CAN"T NOT CHANGE THE LOOK OF THIS HEAD OR ALIKE otherwise he would look like the mare from Colorworld..... You shouldn't make such ridiculous statements, it shows that you are jealous and don't have a clue what your talking about.

My professional stallion photos for advertising have minor changes and I know most studs do the same!!

Donna, I also looked at your website - I love Faux Finish she is lovely, I went and had a look at the sire she is in foal too - I can't believe you sent the mare off to an EVA positive stallion and then brought the mare back to your stud..... And trying to sell the foal in-utero when if she has EVA could abort the foal at any time - I DON'T SEE YOU PUBLICISING THAT TO THE FORUM OR ANYONE WHO VISITS YOUR SITE. So I guess we can all say we have skeletons in our closet. You advertise to export your horses, lots of countries outside of America won't except horses with EVA - I think you should be more upfront.

I never bagged your colt because he is lovely in his own right - but the lady simply wanted to track down the owner of that colt. I would breed to that crem any day of the week to breed hacks but wouldn't breed with your sabino colt because he is breed more like a paint horse.

Each to there own, and as you would know the quality has to be in mare over and above the stallion so no-one can blame dodgy foals solely on a sire. At least 70% of the breeding quality is from the mare.

I would love to see some progeny from your cremello sabino in years to come - and hopefully one day the person who owns that crem will post some of there progeny.
     
    07-07-2009, 06:33 AM
  #34
Weanling
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Donna, I also looked at your website - I love Faux Finish she is lovely, I went and had a look at the sire she is in foal too - I can't believe you sent the mare off to an EVA positive stallion and then brought the mare back to your stud..... And trying to sell the foal in-utero when if she has EVA could abort the foal at any time - I DON'T SEE YOU PUBLICISING THAT TO THE FORUM OR ANYONE WHO VISITS YOUR SITE. So I guess we can all say we have skeletons in our closet. You advertise to export your horses, lots of countries outside of America won't except horses with EVA - I think you should be more upfront.
OMG. I cannot BELIEVE how completely stupid and uninformed you are. Let me educate YOU so that you don't go shooting off YOUR mouth and looking like a total ass in the process

I live in Canada. Have done so all my life. Faux Finish was shipped to my trainer in Pennsylvania, USA in March 2007 and I have not seen her since nor has she come back to Canada for even one day in that time frame.

She was INSEMINATED with semen from Redwine in May 2009 (she wasnt *** SENT *** anywhere) and stayed at the farm she is at in PA

Kindly tell me how she is planning on "infecting" my stud, my property, my animals when she is 500 miles away?????

She was vaccinated for EVA prior to breeding. Let me NOW explain how EVA vaccinations work. The animal needs testosterone to keep the EVA virus alive. The last time I checked, Faux Finish didnt have any of that ... :roll:

For a period of 21 days, she MAY infect other animals on the property if she sneezes on them and they inhale that nasal discharge. She didnt. She was kept with other mares that were also bred to Redwine and all of them are fine and no one has aborted. In fact she just passed her 60 day check with flying colours ...

Once this 21 days period has ended - that's it. The mare may show positive TITERS for EVA (in the exact same manner that a horse will show positive titers for WNV if he/she has been vaccinated for West Nile, but they wont actually HAVE WNV!) but since she doesnt have testosterone in her system to maintain the EVA with, it dies off

She has no more chance of having an EVA positive foal in April 2010 than she has of popping out a baby elephant instead ... ... and she has just as much / same / less chance of aborting no matter WHO she was bred to and it makes diddley squat worth of difference who that stallion was, unless he has defective semen for some reason ...

Kathy at Equine Reproduction has put some excellent articles on their website for those that do have questions or concerns about EVA and other breeding related issues. I STRONGLY suggest you make it a point of reading them, rather than spewing out this total garbage to the masses and trying to make it sound like you know what you are talking about

May I suggest you read:

http://www.equine-reproduction.com/a...esentation.pdf

And:

Equine Viral Arteritis

And:

EVA Factfile

Hmmm ... let me put this in context ..

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I have an imported stallion from Germany, the full brother of an impeccable bred stallion purchased at auction by Paul Schockemohle
Simply because you have/had the MONEY to purchase an "impeccably bred stallion" doesnt make you an expert, IMO anyhow. THAT has to be earned, not shoved down our throats because of what you bought

And yes - don't worry. My background is the jumper and the hunter ring. I *think* I have heard Paul's name being bandied about once or twice anyhow ... ... and I may have actually ridden against him in a class or two when he was over here showing in Canada many years ago ...

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YOU CAN"T NOT CHANGE THE LOOK OF THIS HEAD OR ALIKE otherwise he would look like the mare from Colorworld..... You shouldn't make such ridiculous statements, it shows that you are jealous and don't have a clue what your talking about.
Oh ... you sure can and that is exactly what looks to have been done. The last time I checked, halters didnt fit skin tight under their jowls - you actually had leather sticking down under their heads and a ring under the nose piece as well and it clearly shows where the greenery and fence lines have been altered as well around his face and neck.

Why not show him in all of his "unaltered" glory instead?
     
    07-07-2009, 08:40 AM
  #35
Weanling
Back from feeding and turning out horses and time to clear up MORE "fallacies" and totally incorrect comments in your post again ...

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If anyone is 'qualified' to make comments about a potential stallion quality, I would class myself as one of those people, I have helped many clients buy stallions from Holland and Germany, I have also helped many clients find stallions suitable to breed with. So JustDressage what makes you a suitable candidate to comment on anything besides the fact your talking about chalk and cheese.
All I can say is God help your clients that supposedly PAY you to find them suitable mounts, if your research the pros and cons and good and bad attributes of the horses they are looking at as thoroughly as you have (NOT!) researched you erroneous and totally incorrect EVA statements and allegations

Perhaps checking to see if your facts are actually correct would be a wonderful idea BEFORE you hit the *send* button?!

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ALSO I am a magazine publisher
Oh good Lord on this one ... :roll:

Do you research ALL of your articles as meticulously and thoroughly as you have done on this EVA claim??? or - do you simply listen the drivel of a certain vet (whom we have all learned to totally and completely ignore as nothing that comes out of their mouth makes any logic or sense at all ... ) and print it as fact simply because they have DVM attched to their name???

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but wouldn't breed with your sabino colt because he is breed more like a paint horse.
Not a problem. Not at all. He is a very substantial TB colt and many breeders are looking for that specific attribute in a stallion for their mare. But I sure as heck wouldnt photoshop his pictures to try and make him into something he is not, to try and deceive the public and the mare owners who may want to breed to him down the road

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Each to there own, and as you would know the quality has to be in mare over and above the stallion so no-one can blame dodgy foals solely on a sire. At least 70% of the breeding quality is from the mare.
Well - don't know exactly where you pull your numbers from, but the acknowledged percentage is 60% from the mare and not 70%. NO one is blaming anything on ANY sire. Where do you get this stuff from? The same "meticulous" research methods??? But I truly do question the logic and the intelligence of breeding ANY yearling colt, this one included. How many mares has he exactly bred this year, as a YEARLING???

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I would love to see some progeny from your cremello sabino in years to come
Oh - I'm sure you will, but lets get something straight once again for the record. I own the SIRE of this colt. I don't own the Cleverly Concealed cremello sabino colt myself. I am debating buying him for myself and there are also about 20 other people that are also contemplating doing so as well and I am sure whoever ends up with him will be posting lots of pictures of his development and progressions ...

And also for the record as you got this one wrong as well ?

I also don't own the Remember My Name colt. I was his breeder and I do own the sire and dam, but he was sold at about 2 weeks of age and his owner resides in Scotland and has from the day she bought him. Again - incorrect facts from you. You really do need to research your data a little more carefully in the future if you are to maintain any semblance of credibility and expertise at all ...

And finally ...

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Donna, I also looked at your website - I love Faux Finish she is lovely
Yippeee!!! One thing we CAN agree on!!!
     
    07-07-2009, 05:55 PM
  #36
Showing
OK children, that's enough. The thread has taken a bad turn so it's time to end it.
     

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