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  • Breeding two colored paints what will the baby look like
  • Breeding stock paints registered aqha

 
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    08-27-2008, 12:27 AM
  #11
Foal
oops i forgot to add

I should have added I think they should be double registered so they can have both
     
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    08-27-2008, 12:39 AM
  #12
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Re: My thoughts on the subject

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Originally Posted by lizard13
I believe that Bs paints should be able to be registered aqha so they are not a total waste I know that you would have to prove that they would not throw color but it would be worth it to me/ does anyone agree? I do believe APH's should have color but all they are is a quarter horse with white so I don't understand why the solid ones aren't just registered aqha? This is my BS Goldie I love her bloodlines and for 2 generations they were all solid and she throws color but only when bred to a painted stallion so I think they should let me register her aqha. Do you agree?
Yes, I completely agree, thank you for putting words to what I was trying to say :)
Since color is a breed standard for Paints, should that not be a slight deciding factor in their breeding "status" if you will?

PS - Goldie is really cute :)
     
    08-27-2008, 12:54 AM
  #13
Foal
fair enough

Thank you very much! I'm glad someone agreed with what I was thinking was fair :)
     
    08-27-2008, 10:07 AM
  #14
Foal
Idk this is a kinda of if-ie subject honestly it really alll depends on genes my friend bred her stack mare with a stud that has hardly any color and doesn't throw much color and her filly is one of the loudest paints I've seen. Looking on the Mares background we found she had tons of color in her genes.

So, in a sense I would agree with whats been said but genetics also plays a big part as well.

That's just my opinion anyways. =]
     
    08-27-2008, 01:31 PM
  #15
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Re: My thoughts on the subject

Quote:
Originally Posted by lizard13
I believe that Bs paints should be able to be registered aqha so they are not a total waste I know that you would have to prove that they would not throw color but it would be worth it to me/ does anyone agree? I do believe APH's should have color but all they are is a quarter horse with white so I don't understand why the solid ones aren't just registered aqha? This is my BS Goldie I love her bloodlines and for 2 generations they were all solid and she throws color but only when bred to a painted stallion so I think they should let me register her aqha. Do you agree?

They can't be registered as a quarter horse though for the sole fact that they CAN throw colored paints....


Also, I was just on the APHA website and there are color requirements to be registered in the regular registry. I also noticed that to register a BS paint is cheaper than registering a traditional colored paint.
     
    08-27-2008, 04:17 PM
  #16
Foal
I have seen double registered paints that also carry APHA/AQHA with an overo pattern. Those horses just put more color into the AqHA, which they frown over, so why would they register them in the first place. If you have horses like that, them basically you should be able to put a SPB in the AQHA registry.

I have a SPB filly with a QH parent. She looks exactly like her sire, although her mother was a Tovero, so if bred to color, she can throw another Tovero since she carries both genes. Lol, if APHA was only a registry for color, they wouldn't allow you to breed to QH's and TB's, they should do away with that if they don't want to register the SPB's in the bunch. Even homozygous horses can mess up and throw a solid foal. Depends on how the genes hook up on the Dam's side.
     
    03-21-2009, 09:18 PM
  #17
Weanling
I think one of the most important pros to BS Paints is a horse cannot be homozygous for the Overo pattern which so many people want. Also from all the reading I have been doing( and it's a lot!) the best way to produce the overo pattern is to breed an overo or even tobiano to a BS paint since all breeding stock carry the right genes throw color.
     
    03-22-2009, 06:40 AM
  #18
Trained
I think the color/pattern/breeding question and registry question are really two separate items. All the registries have fairly arbitrary rules (IMHO), and after all, the APHA only requires 2 inches of white (or color, for white horses) in the required area for the regular registry. From a visual color/pattern perspective, does a brown regular registry Paint with 2 inches of white on the belly really look any different than a solid Paint?
     
    03-22-2009, 12:18 PM
  #19
Weanling
Ooh, interesting thread.

I called the AQHA about registering Charity with them (Charity is a registered paint. Her sire is Reg. APH, and dam is Reg. AQH. Both are pure not appendix or anything).

They said no, because "Paints are a color breed". That is absolutely false. The PINTO horse association is a color breed, as the horses registered can be gaited, trotters, ponies, etc. the ONE thing they all must have in common is the COLOR. If the APH was a color breed, they wouldn't restrict registry to APH crossed with TB and AQH. The body type that the Paint horse is required to have needs to reflect that of a TB or AQH.

MY THOUGHTS.... so hear me out... Way back in time when ranchers were breeding their AQH every so often a baby would be produced with splashy white markings. This was looked upon as a defect in the herd, and reflected poorly on the ranch's quality of horses and the baby is unwanted solely due to color. Someone felt bad for these horses, because they were still GOOD horses, just flashier in color.. so they started the APHA. SO THEN............. fast forward to present days... APH breeders get a solid baby in their herd, and its looked upon as a defect, and it reflects poorly on the breeders quality of horses, and the baby is unwanted solely due to LACK of color.

SO.. my question is...

Isn't a Breeding Stock Paint just a Quarter Horse?! Both registries say No. But, I mean.. the breed standard HAS to be close, right?!! Both the AQHA and APHA use TBs to breed with their stock. And the APH uses ONLY the AQH and TB to make their breed.

My head huuuuuuuuuuuurts ;__;

I think there is a bunch of bad blood between the AQHA and APHA, after talking to both sides, lol. Buncha Grumpy Gus'! ;)

I am the proud owner of two Breeding Stock Paints Charity and Skippy! <3 and PSST... Charity looks just like a AQH :O Skippy! Has the wonky blaze, so he looks more like a Paint ;)

I think the reason they are called "Breeding Stock Paints" is because they may not have the color, but they have the build/conformation that a Paint horse should have. Therefore, if you breed a BSP to a Colored Paint with poor conformation, the baby will hopefully have color, AND the build of a Paint Horse.

Charity is what I would consider a BSP by my definition. She is Half paint and Half Quarter Horse... So she has the stronger, less diluted build of a AQH, and if bred to a stallion that is awesome in color, but poor in conformation, she may be able to "fix" it in the baby.

I really REALLY hope that makes sense, LOL! I confused myself a few times while writing it ^^;;;
     
    03-22-2009, 03:55 PM
  #20
Trained
Well I didn't read thru all the threads...

My thoughts. Paints should have color. That is really what sets them apart from a QH. I think people could have done alot of things different in the future (ex, not breeding AQHA to APHA) to pervent the amount of BS paints there is out there.

I have nothing againts them and they are still wonderful beautiful animals, well most of them.
     

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