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post #1 of 16 Old 07-15-2010, 08:05 PM Thread Starter
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Dreaming of breeding...

Recently I purchased a Quarter Horse mare, broke to ride but needs finishing work (neck reining and such). She was a rescue, though not by me. Now she's a spirited, but laid back girl with good training behind her. She rides like a finished out 20 year old, but in the pasture she acts like a total yearling.

Ever since I first got into horses, I've always dreamed of having my own foal. Sure, you can get foals for a buck a dozen, but I wanted it to be MY foal that I bred from MY mare from a dreamy stud that I picked out.

Well, now I got my mare. But there is the factor that she's not registered. At one point she may have been, but who knows where the papers went and I'm pretty sure there's no way to find out if she ever was.
Then theres the really big IF. What if my back takes a real turn for the worse and I'm unable to ride? To train? What chance would my dream-foal have on the market, unregistered, out of a grade mare? Sure, maybe if she was shown before hand he or she would have a chance. But papers speak louder than 'Yeah, I won some ribbons on the dam'


Well, such things aren't doing anything to stop me from wanting that one special lil' dude (or dudette). IF I where to breed her (I doubt I ever will, highly doubt) it would be a good, 8, 9, even 10 years from now. She's only four and to breed her now would be like taking a brand-spanking new car and setting it on fire. She has a chance for a good, productive career, no matter if it's just trails and pasture spelunking, or if I do small shows with her. Sticking her with a foal now would be just....idiotic.


But, one can dream, right?


This is my mare here. The odd shaped butt is from a huge scar. Her toes are to long in the front but the farrier IS coming out in about a week.
She's obviously gotten into a minor kicking match with Loki as well.
She is wet in the pics, I had just hosed her off. She's normally a lovely buckskin :)



IF I where to breed her. I'd either go with a Friesian, show ring. A Foxtrotter, trail blazer. Or a QH, barrels/poles/events and the like.

I'd post baby daddies, but I only know of two and their not THAT great

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post #2 of 16 Old 07-15-2010, 08:13 PM
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She would not be my first choice in breeding mares, regardless of the stallion. Her shoulder is really upright and she has a slight roach back. Plus her head is kinda big and clunky, very unrefined. Depending on what the foal inherited from her, it may not be marketable at all just because of potential confo issues, let alone that it would be a grade crossbreed. If I truely wanted to breed in the future, right now, you can get a well conformed, registered mare for little to no money if you know where to look and would likely end up with a much better (at least more desirable) foal.

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She would not be my first choice in breeding mares, regardless of the stallion. Her shoulder is really upright and she has a slight roach back. Plus her head is kinda big and clunky, very unrefined. Depending on what the foal inherited from her, it may not be marketable at all just because of potential confo issues, let alone that it would be a grade crossbreed. If I truely wanted to breed in the future, right now, you can get a well conformed, registered mare for little to no money if you know where to look and would likely end up with a much better (at least more desirable) foal.
I thought she felt a little high-up when I rode her! I have to look at the videos, but I think she carries her head a lot lower than my guys. My gelding Red has the same kind of back-straight from one end to the next with a rather straight shoulder if I remember correctly. He's gaited however, so I don't think it'll make a huge difference with him.


I do think that if I really, really, REALLY wanted a foal, I'd go with a Foxtrotter or a Tennessee Walker. The people where I got Loki and Red Man from have some really beautiful mares and fillies (I quite liked Loki's newest full sister).
Everyone is papered up the wazoo on top of it. I don't think they have one Foxtrotter without blue papers. I'm pretty sure the same applies to their TWH's (though I don't think they call them blue papers...?).

I've been hobbling all day because I did a minuet of trotting on the QH, my back is not happy at all. Maybe I just outta stick to the gaited variety She's very...floaty feeling in the trot. But the last I really rode a ungaited horse was...about seven, eight years ago.

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I don't think that breeding them young ruins them. I've had perfectly good mares that I've won shows with that were bred when they were young.

However, I probably wouldn't breed the mare. Even if you COULD get a good life for your foal, it may not be the prettiest thing in the world. Looks can be the determining factor when choosing a foal (regardless of attitude) especially in this economy.

It's fun to dream and pretend (I do it all the time, shopping for horses/studs I will never get, heh heh) but that's what it is, a dream. Maybe in 10 or so years you can consider it. You'll have plenty of time to think rationally about your decision ;)

You're a smart cookie from what I've gathered, and I'm sure you'll make the right decision for both the mare and the foal :)

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My old trainer bred her Oldenburg filly as a 3 year old so she foaled out as a 4 year old. After her filly was weaned, she went off to another trainer (my trainer was pregnant also, at the time) and now as a 6 year old she is eventing BN successfully. So, breeding young isn't a bad thing all the time.

I also think your girl is not the best candidate for breeding, but to each his own as long as you can take care of the foal :)

Btw, I saw a GORGEOUS Friesian/QH cross at my dressage show last weekend. Gorgeous - but I think he got lucky. I thought he was all friesian. Even his owner said "it's a cross that probably shouldn't have worked out this well, but something went right for him".

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And the problem also remains - you don't really know what she is without papers. She could be a cross of almost anything.

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In all honesty I don't like the way her head/neck are set nor do I like her legs, or her back D; And her feet looked like they are trimmed for a trotter, not a QH.

Hmm, I don't know. ESP with the non-registered factor. I would say no all together. You can find plenty of better looking/registered mares all over. You just have to know where to look.


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I don't think that breeding them young ruins them. I've had perfectly good mares that I've won shows with that were bred when they were young.

However, I probably wouldn't breed the mare. Even if you COULD get a good life for your foal, it may not be the prettiest thing in the world. Looks can be the determining factor when choosing a foal (regardless of attitude) especially in this economy.

It's fun to dream and pretend (I do it all the time, shopping for horses/studs I will never get, heh heh) but that's what it is, a dream. Maybe in 10 or so years you can consider it. You'll have plenty of time to think rationally about your decision ;)

You're a smart cookie from what I've gathered, and I'm sure you'll make the right decision for both the mare and the foal :)
I was thinking, well, since she's a maiden. I'd probably put her out to pasture for a year, to carry and raise the foal. THEN it'd be re-training completely, either by myself or have a trainer do it. It seemed like a waste considering how well she's doing currently and just needs to be finished out.

Plus I soooo don't have the facilities for foaling, OR foal safe fencing (all barbed wire, ICK. We're slowly switching to electric). A foal right now would be like checking the level of fuel level in a tank with a lighter


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Btw, I saw a GORGEOUS Friesian/QH cross at my dressage show last weekend. Gorgeous - but I think he got lucky. I thought he was all friesian. Even his owner said "it's a cross that probably shouldn't have worked out this well, but something went right for him".
LUCKY! Friesians can make for NICE crosses, but I think their best in full blooded. I saw a FriesianxWelsh recently that looked ALL Friesian, front to back, except for a star and a tiny band on the right hind. There was another cross, same breeding, that looked awful.

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And the problem also remains - you don't really know what she is without papers. She could be a cross of almost anything.
True. I think she's the product of a Krazy Kolor Breeder, to borrow a Fugly term. Fugly stud + Fugly mare ='s Badly put together filly with a 'sought after' color. She IS a very good lil' trail horse though, I was thinking of doing small shows with her for the fun of it.


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In all honesty I don't like the way her head/neck are set nor do I like her legs, or her back D; And her feet looked like they are trimmed for a trotter, not a QH.

Hmm, I don't know. ESP with the non-registered factor. I would say no all together. You can find plenty of better looking/registered mares all over. You just have to know where to look.
Her neck will (hopefully) improve with some conditioning and fill out a little more. She is slightly underweight but gaining quick. I wish she wouldn't stand like a sack of potatoes when tied, she's much prettier perked up.

She's one of those horses that isn't much to look at, but has a big heart when put to the test and will trudge through whatever you want her to. Ugly, but trusty!

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I feel I have to join the other members in saying I don't think this mare is breeding quality, on many levels.

When I consider a horse as a breeding animal I am looking for a few things. Top of the list is temperament, but of equal importance is a useful conformation, athletic ability, and then to some extent pedigree (if you have a horse who comes from correct horses, who come from correct horses you have a better chance of producing a correct horse).

Your mare's conformation is a pretty big strike against her. Her unrefined head,the way her neck ties into her chest and wither, very upright shoulder, slightly roached and long back, her pelvic angle and her hindlimb construction - all add together to make a horse that just simply isn't conformationally correct, or even has "minor" faults. I'm not looking at her lack of muscle, or her weight - I'm looking solely at the structure of the horse, IMO, this mare just doesn't have "breeding quality" stamped on her. I'm not trying to be harsh or mean, that's just what I see when I look at her.

Her lack of known history is another strike. You say she may have come from a "Krazy Kolor Breeder" (though if she was, then they missed on even the color - since she's not "unique" in that department)... which means they had no idea what they were doing, and sadly, she looks like it. Some people get lucky, but you should never knowingly produce a foal where conformation will be a shot in the dark. Even the best sire in the world may not produce a foal that takes entirely after him.

Since her temperament is good, I suggest you enjoy her for what she is, and what she CAN do for you... and put your dreams of producing your own foal on hold until you can aquire a mare more worthy of those dreams.

If you ARE set on breeding her, then choose a sire that will compliment her - and strenthen the points about her that are weak. This would mean I'd be looking for a very correct shoulder, short back and compact body, correct pelvic angle and terrific hindquarters. A higher neck set might not go amiss, and definitely look for a more refined head (even though you don't ride a head, it does seem to be a "make it or break it" point for many people)

Obviously all of this is just my honest opinion - I'm not trying to be mean, or rude.
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Honestly you purchase a NICE registered QH filly or colt (or APHA or ApHC) for the cost of what it would take to breed to a high class nice producing stallion of ANY breed.

I don't like her for breeding at all. She has a HUGE head, roach back (but that may diminish as she gains muscle since she's lacking that greatly) a VERY upright shoulder... High wither that SCREAMS TB blood (so does the head and hip honestly) and she's slightly over at the knee and slightly sickle hocked. Now... I'll take slightly sickle hocked any day in a reining/cutting horse - but provided the other faults aren't there.

Plus she's grade. Grade is grade and the foal would have greatly diminished value. What would happen if you couldn't keep them? The value of the foal (and the mare) are next to nil if there's people in the market for performance horses with pedigrees. Sure you could even claim "DADDY IS INVITATION ONLY (who won't breed to grade stock, but I used him anyway since he's incredible and top of the mark)" but it means NOTHING since baby isn't registered because momma's of unknown blood but guessed to be an AQHA.
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