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post #1 of 44 Old 04-04-2009, 11:52 AM Thread Starter
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Question A few foaling/Breeding questions.

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I have purchased a Shetland cross mare, she is around 12.0 hands. She is mature (both age and other), but I need some help on selectiong a stallion. I found a Section A welsh stud, and he's beautiful, I can also afford prices, but I need to understand more about foaling itself. I have 2 pastures, one is where they are all kept, but I doubt that is suitbiblw to foal in. I have a second pasture where my goats live, its about 1/2 an acre, with a "mini" barn in it. Its like a single stall, but I doubt big enough to foal. I do not have a barn yet, but I was wondering if the goat pen would be suitible to foal in. She has never been bred, and hasn't been yet, but I was wondering if she could foal in this pasture. I know that its better in a barn, but we are in the process of building one, and in a year and a half or so, maybe two. I can post pictures of both, but I need opinions :)

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Hi Anny

Is your mare registered? If you dont have a big enough stall for her to foal in I would be sure and breed her so that the foal comes when you are sure its warm enough to be born outside. Only bad thing with that is that is also during fly season. We generally try to breed ours to be due in April and May before the flies get bad. That is my Shetland stallion in my avatar :) Nice to meet you!

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Hi all,
I have purchased a Shetland cross mare, she is around 12.0 hands. She is mature (both age and other), but I need some help on selectiong a stallion. I found a Section A welsh stud, and he's beautiful, I can also afford prices, but I need to understand more about foaling itself.
Anny, why do you want to breed your mare? I'm a firm believer in needing a good reason to breed. I am assuming that your cross is a grade mare. Why are do you want a grade foal? It's almost certainly going to be more expensive to breed your mare than it would be to purchase a foal of at least the same quality. What's your mare's conformation? The stallion's?

I'd be certain to know a whole more about breeding before I considered doing it. What will you do if your mare dies during/after having her foal? What will you do with the foal? It's quite difficult to sell foals at this time. Can you afford another horse?

Anyway, I think you need to really evaluate this situation carefully before breeding your mare.


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none of our mares foal in a barn... we keep them in a small paddock
all of ours are bred to foal in april and may as well..just seems better ;)
not too warm and not too cold!!

If that is your mare in your avatar she is a pretty little thing!!!

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Anny, why do you want to breed your mare? I'm a firm believer in needing a good reason to breed. I am assuming that your cross is a grade mare. Why are do you want a grade foal? It's almost certainly going to be more expensive to breed your mare than it would be to purchase a foal of at least the same quality. What's your mare's conformation? The stallion's?

I'd be certain to know a whole more about breeding before I considered doing it. What will you do if your mare dies during/after having her foal? What will you do with the foal? It's quite difficult to sell foals at this time. Can you afford another horse?

Anyway, I think you need to really evaluate this situation carefully before breeding your mare.
I want to breed for the joy of breeding. I want to try and train from start. I want the foal to not have any problems in the foals genetics and so. My mom and I want to have a foal so we can finally say we trained a foal from scratch. I want some quality incase we foal a colt, I wouldn't casterate him. I would stud hi out, either unless someone inquired (lol im getting into the FAR future lol) - the mare was bought from the auctions, more of a rescue than a buy. She seems like a pony that would make a great mother. I'll get more info on the stallion and Savannah when I get my documents back at my house.

Kay, no she is not registered, and your stallion is beautiful (: thanks for the welcome.


carriedennae, thats Phillip, my cutie gelding (:, i don't have good pictures of Savnnah, but Thursday I will, and I will post pictures of both.
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I've Put My Mare Out In The field To Foal Maybe Try That
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Kay, no she is not registered
But you want to stand a possible colt at stud? A grade colt?

A suggestion would be to take the money you would put into the stud fee, neonatal expenses and purchase a newly weaned foal this spring.
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I strongly agree with the advice MLS gave you
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Please read this blog:

fuglyhorseoftheday.blogspot.com

it might help you understand where we're coming from.

In this economy, grade foals like the one you're thinking of producing are selling for $25 at auction.

Some food for thought:
What will make your foal stand a better chance of finding a good home than the next one? Nobody can ever say that they will always be able to keep their horse(s) - just like anyone, you can fall on hard times, and let's face it, horses are a luxury.

Things that will make a foal more marketable, in case one ever EVER has to sell their horse:
- registration. A LOT of people care about papers, even if you don't... it could mean a deal maker or breaker. There are a lot of good grade horses going to slaughter every day just because someone picked a registered horse over them. If you have 2 horses that are identical in every way BUT one is registered, and one isn't, chances are the registered one will get chosen first.
- conformation... is the mare conformationally sound? Does she have any glaring faults?
- training. Will you absolutely be able to provide training? If YOU can't train it yourselves, do you have the funds to send it to a trainer?

I have nothing against breeding rescue mares as long as they are registered, have very good conformation, and have good minds ..... you are lacking one out of 3 so far.

I am not trying to be snarky.. but there is an overload of unwanted horses out there - what will make your baby so special that will prevent it from possible becoming one, if you ever have to sell it?

My guidelines for breeding:
Both horses:
- Have a decent pedigree
- Are registered (remember... even if you don't care about papers, a lot of other people do)
- Have great conformation (no "fatal" faults, such as back at the knee etc)
- Are sound to breed
- Have no genetic defects (HyPP, HERDA, OWLS, etc...)
- Are sound of mind
- Are excelling in their discipline (whether it be competitive or not)
- Both mare and stallion compliment one another (e.g if the mare has a longer back, choose a stallion with a shorter back)

Please please please rethink your decision to breed... go to auction and see what's selling for less than $100... you'll be shocked. While you are there, think, "IF I produce a foal, why will it be better than the foals being sold for less than meat money here?" A LOT of registered foals with good pedigrees are going for less than meat price.

What has your mare accomplished?


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Just to add... are you prepared for the costs and risks of breeding??
Stud fee: $1000+ for a decent stud (there are exceptions, but you will probably have to hunt)
Vet care: Ultrasounds, preg check, vaccinations, deworming, etc.

There are many things that can go wrong with a pregnancy. Are you willing to risk your mare's health as well?


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