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#1 ·
I want to breed my Shetland/Mini pony. I kind of want a taller one but would it hurt her? Otherwise I'll breed her to a mini with some color and sell the foal. What breed would be a little taller but won't harm her?
 
#45 ·
I'm actually not that old. In fact, from this post alone, I'm fairly confident I was smarter then you when I was 5.

I love how your argument changes anytime someone posts something that you don't have a good comeback for.

It's ALWAYS one foal. Horses rarely have twins. How many JUST ONE FOALS do we need before it's enough?
 
#46 ·
I'm actually not that old. In fact, from this post alone, I'm fairly confident I was smarter then you when I was 5.

I love how your argument changes anytime someone posts something that you don't have a good comeback for.

It's ALWAYS one foal. Horses rarely have twins. How many JUST ONE FOALS do we need before it's enough?
I doubt it, ma'am. ;)

And honestly? I don't know. The economy is already crappy, so one more foal ain't gonna hurt it that bad.
 
#48 ·
1 + 1 = 2
2 + 2 = 4
4 + 4 = 8
8 + 8 = 16
16 + 16 = 32


For someone with such a high IQ, you seem to forget the fact that things add up, and keep adding up. I'm sure the useless pony who was born 'just because she wanted a foal from her ky00t little mare' might make someone a nice steak somewhere in life.
 
#51 ·
And if that is the way that it has to end up, then so be it.


My family takes in rescues all of the time. I've been to the auctions and sat right next to people who will openly admit that they are kill buyers. I've seen the nearly bombproof six year old registered mare go to a kill buyer for $150. I'm not oblivious to how bad the economy is. It's especially worse in the south where I live.

But us telling someone who seems pretty set on breeding their mare that they shouldn't do it is not going to help anyone. She'll probably read this, learn absolutely nothing, and then go on and breed her mare anyways. Instead of griping, we could be helping her find a stallion that compliments her mare in some ways.


But, speaking of the OP, she doesn't seem to be posting anymore?
 
#50 ·
You're right. But ya know what? If we all lived by that philosophy we eventually would no longer have horses. Because even top performance horses can be victims of slaughter. I've seen it happen. It's not pretty.

And something else; Most of the BEST kids ponies around her were a one-shot out of a hobby rider and now they are assisting kids in their events.

Not saying that is always gonna happen, but considering nobody knows anything for sure you can't know that they will be sold for a steak.

And besides, like mentioned earlier, she's prett ymuch said she's going to breed anyway so why bother telling her she shouldn't?
 
#68 ·
All I got out of that was "Lalala, let's pretend there's no problem! I took my horse to the auction last week because he started bucking me off, but I'm sure he's in a GREAT home now where he gets lots of love and attention! He couldn't have possibly gone to slaughter. Nope, not my horse. He's SPECIAL! I'm sure everyone at the auction realized how special he was and bid accordingly."
 
#52 ·
OOOOOOOOOk guys maybe quite with the slinging match now? It's getting no where, is entirely off topic, if you want to insult/abuse/slander each other go for your lives, but do it elsewhere not on someone's post.


To the OP, No I don't really agree with your way of going about this 'breeding' business, but I'm not going to shoot you down for it, I will simply give my opinion and leave it at that, just to give you something to mull over without having to dredge through 5 pages of 3 people trying to knock each other off their perch.

There is not a great demand for miniatures/shetland's unless they are of superb quality and temperament. And even then, there is still far less demand for them than a riding horse. You CAN breed 'up' for height, but if she's a mini/shettie, you're not going to get something that anyone bigger than a 5 year old kid can ride.
Unless your mare is of fantastic quality, and you pick a suitable stallion, not just any stallion that is cheap and willing to 'give it a shot', there is little point in breeding unless you intend to keep the foal for your own purposes. But even if you did want to breed just for yourself, it is MUCH cheaper and MUCH less stressful to simply go to an auction and purchase a foal, that will probably be of better quality than one you may breed. There are so many unwanted horses going to the doggers due to over breeding, even the quality horses are being dogged because of the lack of demand.
My last words to you: Before you commit to breeding your mare, go onto google, and check out the number of horses being dogged or being sent off the auctions, and check on the reasons WHY there are so many going. It may just change your mind about breeding, save a pony's life rather than breed another one that may await the same fate.
 
#53 ·
Posted at the same time.

Anyway, I chose to involve myself becaus ebeing a debate student I am naturally drawn to confrontation whether I am in the fault or not. However, this topic I have a lot to say about so I am even more drawn to it. It amuses me, in all honesty. Just because its summer doesn't mean I can't have some practice turning around the argument, even if it doesn't always work for me.

And we never said you don't have the right to post a comment. But we also have the rights to post a response to your response.
 
#55 ·
In defense, almost the ENTIRE reason Tennessee even started posting here was to inform us we needed to stop "hating" on the OP for not saying "OMFGZ< DO ITZ". And while I can appreciate you had a valid argument, you got caught up in the mud slinging me and Tennessee engaged in.

I can appreciate having a good debate with YOU. However, children like Tennessee tend to muddle it up with their attempts at being intelligent and having zero idea what they're talking about it.

And with that I will digress from this now boring topic and hope to debate with you in another topic where we can actually DEBATE and not get caught up in melodrama.

Have a nice evening.
 
#54 ·
She'll probably read this, learn absolutely nothing
She's not going to learn anything by breeding her mare for S&G's anyway, so I fail to see your point.

I chose to involve myself becaus ebeing a debate student I am naturally drawn to confrontation whether I am in the fault or not.
... I just like to fight on teh interwebz!!1
 
#56 · (Edited)
That's nice. Just a little fyi....It's not just the internet. I qualified for nationals this year. Breezed right over the bigger schools. You know, I may not be the most mature young woman in the world but at least I'm not making fun of those younger than me behind a computer screen. I surely hope you don't treat kids like this in real life. I'm sure Macarbe already covered the whole "I treat people the way they treat me" argument, but personally, I don't find it very valid. I highly doubt you are both this unpleasant when there isn't a screen between us.


EDIT - Goodness, it seems we keep posting at the same time. I appreciate that comment Macarbe, but unfortunately I don't agree with your side of the argument. I will agree many points in this argument are invalid, I still don't think calling a teenager stupid is going to help.....considered teenagers are a rebellious sort and that would probably just irritate the argument more. I know from experience :D
 
#60 ·
Oh, this is normal teenage stuff. Every single adult deals with it.....consider it a test of your patience. I know I can argue with the big girls, even if I'm not always on the winning side.
 
#71 ·
While they did it with a whole bunch of posts and a little bit of arguing/debating, the three (Macabre, Tenessee, and Sorrelhorse) made some good points, and some not so good points.

Here's what I have to say.
Before we make a ton of assumptions, I would like to know what you plan on doing with this foal. Are you going to keep it? Are you going to sell it?
Frankly, we don't have enough information to help you out, and- as previously stated- when a rather unknown member comes onto this board and posts a thread like this, toes get stepped on, egos are bruised, and you aren't going to find what you wanted to find.

But you will find a lot of help. Honestly, though lots of us are a bit blunt with how we state things, we have good advice.

Less I be deemed an 'ignorant teenager' I won't talk about the economy.

My last advice to you is to read the posts, do some research, and find the best solution.

I wish you all the best.
Shelby
 
#76 ·
If you want a bigger pony, and a foal to raise. BUY one! I doubt you are going to get the hight that you want out of a mini/shetland mare, you'd have to breed her to a TB... Want to watch a foal being born, go to YouTube :)

If you INSIST your going to breed your mare, sell the mini/shetland and buy a mare that is the desireable hight and breed her.
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#77 ·
I'll stay out of the debate because I am wicked. :twisted: Like Paints said, I have an extremely low bullsh!t tolerance.

That being said, I have just a few words to offer the OP.

If you think you will be able to sell this foal at anything but a complete loss of the money you put in, wake up. It's simply not true.

If you are breeding your mare because you want to ride a slightly larger pony - buy one. You will spend far less money in the end, and you will have a pony large enough to ride today, instead of waiting at LEAST 3 years.

If you just want to experience pregnancy/birth/the miracle of life, volunteer at a rescue that takes in preggos, or find a local breeding farm in your area to clean some stalls in exchange for learning about breeding.

If you think it's "cool", or you want bragging rights to having raised a foal, think on this - when it's 4 am and your mare is laying there dying with a foal stuck in the canal, are you going to be able to drop the potential thousands in vet fees it's going to take to save HER life, even though you are losing the foal. How much bragging will you feel like doing when you have a dead mare and a dead foal - finding legal and affordable ways to dispose of horse bodies is an ugly reality check in the horse word as well.

If you just like dreaming out loud - state so at the start of the thread. No harm in dreaming, as long as you are aware there can be REAL harm in DOING.

Learn first, study, get help, and really open your eyes before you commit to breeding your pony.
 
#78 ·
Before you breed please read the book, Blessed Are The Broodmares.

If that doesn't scare you off breeding, let me tell you a little story.

A dear friend of mine decided to breed her favorite, much loved mare to a very nice pally stallion last year.

She was very excited and was on an emotional high in May, when her mare was due to foal.

Mare went into labor, and the foal presented crown first. Vet was called, couldn't get the foal turned correctly, and they managed to get the mare on the trailer and take her to Virginia Tech's equine hospital center.

Many hours and thousands of dollars later, you know what my friend has? Nothing. She lost both the mare and foal.

So now, instead of celebrating the birth of a planned for, everything done correctly foal, my friend is mourning both her favorite mare and her nicely bred foal.

My friend is horribly devastated, and vows never to breed anything ever again.

Breeding isn't just putting two horses together to have a kyoot baby. Even with the best planning and care, things can and do go wrong at an alarming rate.

I have a female Great Dane. She's show quality. I've never bred her, because I know the risks I'd be taking with her life if I did, and it's just not worth it to chance losing my dog.

I don't think anyone should breed an animal who isn't willing or able to understand the very real consequences of what could and often does happen.
 
#79 · (Edited)
Take a look at the original post folks, it says right in there, that what she wants to do is raise a foal that will be taller than her mare, or she will simply breed to a smaller stud and sell it.

OP, if you're still lingering, please think hard about what you are wanting to do here. The economy IS bad right now...look at the thousands that are jobless...that means less folks looking to buy, or get into horses.

In regard to your other question, Even if you do breed your mare to a larger stallion, you aren't gaurenteed that the resulting foal will be taller than your mare...not for 2-3 years atleast!! Not to mention that breeding her to a larger stallion could cost the life of your mare or foal, or both. You want to breed with a larger mare, not the other way around. If you want a larger horse, then save another from auction, or adopt one from a rescue...that way you have the size you want without going through the dangers of pregnancy, and not knowing if the foal will be what you want in the end anyway.

Unless you have a mare that has been shown, has done well, and is registered, and have an equally good stallion in mind, NOT just one with color, then I say, go for the breeding, and I hope that you make a decent sell price later on.

If NOT, then you really should wait until the economy is much better, if at all. As has been mentioned, you can purchase registered stock at auctions for literal dirt cheap prices...is that what you want out of a foal that you've put much more than 50$ into?
 
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