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        06-27-2010, 09:39 AM
    While they did it with a whole bunch of posts and a little bit of arguing/debating, the three (Macabre, Tenessee, and Sorrelhorse) made some good points, and some not so good points.

    Here's what I have to say.
    Before we make a ton of assumptions, I would like to know what you plan on doing with this foal. Are you going to keep it? Are you going to sell it?
    Frankly, we don't have enough information to help you out, and- as previously stated- when a rather unknown member comes onto this board and posts a thread like this, toes get stepped on, egos are bruised, and you aren't going to find what you wanted to find.

    But you will find a lot of help. Honestly, though lots of us are a bit blunt with how we state things, we have good advice.

    Less I be deemed an 'ignorant teenager' I won't talk about the economy.

    My last advice to you is to read the posts, do some research, and find the best solution.

    I wish you all the best.
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        06-27-2010, 09:40 AM
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    Originally Posted by SorrelHorse    
    Wow. Touchy topic, no?

    First off -

    If this girl wants to breed her mare then she can do it without all the criticism. As for vet bills - Whatever happened to foaling yourself? I once paid a vet to come out when I didn't have my mom or my trainer around to help, and I paid a large sum of money just for the vet to stand there and say "Dat's a nice lookin' colt ya got righ' thar."
    Most people do not have the vet out when foaling but there are lots of other vet bills and expenses when raising an animal so it is not really cost effective unless you do it to keep it.
        06-27-2010, 09:53 AM
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    Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
    My comment had zero to do with her being an equestrian. She chose to snark back at me, and if she wants to either be actually stupid enough or pretend to be stupid enough to not know what my comment was directed it, then I call 'em as I see em.

    I treat people how they treat me. End of story. If you would so choose to mosey back on this topic, you will see this was not started by ME. If someone chooses to wage a war of words with me, they better come well prepared. I directed a comment to the OP about her post, and both you and Tennessee chose to involve yourselves because you somehow felt I didn't have any right to post my comment.

    If you do not like what I have to say, don't get into my face on what I'm saying to people that never concerned you in the first place.
    I am not going to mosey back to see who started it but I do feel you were rude and calling names inappropriatly and talking about how smart or stupid they are doesn't have anything to do with getting your opinion across. They can chime in as they have the right to do also.
        06-27-2010, 01:48 PM
    Originally Posted by xilikeggs0    
    Good for you for being so responsible. Now please go slap your mother and ask her what the hell she was thinking letting her 12-13 year old child breed a horse.

    Excuse me?

    Even when I was that young, I had been involved with many a birth of a horse. It's not like she didn't help me with it. Yeah, she let me pick the stud and my mare, but she was there during the birth and she wouldn't of let me breed in the backyard. The differance is, I paid for everything. And I've done so since. That colt, along with every other colt out of my mares, are still on the performance horse circuit. You shouldn't stereotype every child the same. Some know what they are doing. The mare was a daughter of Smart Little Lena, and the stud was an El Gato Uno colt. That's nice judgement for a twelve year old, if I do say so myself.
        06-27-2010, 02:51 PM
    Originally Posted by Tennessee    
    ONE foal is not going to kill anyone.
    Except maybe the foal, if the OP doesn't have a good plan for breeding and raising it. The people who questioned the OP's intentions have that foal's best interests at heart. As someone who (apparently) loves horses, how can you object to that?
        06-27-2010, 03:36 PM
    If you want a bigger pony, and a foal to raise. BUY one! I doubt you are going to get the hight that you want out of a mini/shetland mare, you'd have to breed her to a TB... Want to watch a foal being born, go to YouTube :)

    If you INSIST your going to breed your mare, sell the mini/shetland and buy a mare that is the desireable hight and breed her.
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        06-28-2010, 02:28 PM
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    I'll stay out of the debate because I am wicked. Like Paints said, I have an extremely low bullsh!t tolerance.

    That being said, I have just a few words to offer the OP.

    If you think you will be able to sell this foal at anything but a complete loss of the money you put in, wake up. It's simply not true.

    If you are breeding your mare because you want to ride a slightly larger pony - buy one. You will spend far less money in the end, and you will have a pony large enough to ride today, instead of waiting at LEAST 3 years.

    If you just want to experience pregnancy/birth/the miracle of life, volunteer at a rescue that takes in preggos, or find a local breeding farm in your area to clean some stalls in exchange for learning about breeding.

    If you think it's "cool", or you want bragging rights to having raised a foal, think on this - when it's 4 am and your mare is laying there dying with a foal stuck in the canal, are you going to be able to drop the potential thousands in vet fees it's going to take to save HER life, even though you are losing the foal. How much bragging will you feel like doing when you have a dead mare and a dead foal - finding legal and affordable ways to dispose of horse bodies is an ugly reality check in the horse word as well.

    If you just like dreaming out loud - state so at the start of the thread. No harm in dreaming, as long as you are aware there can be REAL harm in DOING.

    Learn first, study, get help, and really open your eyes before you commit to breeding your pony.
        06-28-2010, 02:43 PM
    Before you breed please read the book, Blessed Are The Broodmares.

    If that doesn't scare you off breeding, let me tell you a little story.

    A dear friend of mine decided to breed her favorite, much loved mare to a very nice pally stallion last year.

    She was very excited and was on an emotional high in May, when her mare was due to foal.

    Mare went into labor, and the foal presented crown first. Vet was called, couldn't get the foal turned correctly, and they managed to get the mare on the trailer and take her to Virginia Tech's equine hospital center.

    Many hours and thousands of dollars later, you know what my friend has? Nothing. She lost both the mare and foal.

    So now, instead of celebrating the birth of a planned for, everything done correctly foal, my friend is mourning both her favorite mare and her nicely bred foal.

    My friend is horribly devastated, and vows never to breed anything ever again.

    Breeding isn't just putting two horses together to have a kyoot baby. Even with the best planning and care, things can and do go wrong at an alarming rate.

    I have a female Great Dane. She's show quality. I've never bred her, because I know the risks I'd be taking with her life if I did, and it's just not worth it to chance losing my dog.

    I don't think anyone should breed an animal who isn't willing or able to understand the very real consequences of what could and often does happen.
        07-06-2010, 07:42 PM
    Take a look at the original post folks, it says right in there, that what she wants to do is raise a foal that will be taller than her mare, or she will simply breed to a smaller stud and sell it.

    OP, if you're still lingering, please think hard about what you are wanting to do here. The economy IS bad right now...look at the thousands that are jobless...that means less folks looking to buy, or get into horses.

    In regard to your other question, Even if you do breed your mare to a larger stallion, you aren't gaurenteed that the resulting foal will be taller than your mare...not for 2-3 years atleast!! Not to mention that breeding her to a larger stallion could cost the life of your mare or foal, or both. You want to breed with a larger mare, not the other way around. If you want a larger horse, then save another from auction, or adopt one from a rescue...that way you have the size you want without going through the dangers of pregnancy, and not knowing if the foal will be what you want in the end anyway.

    Unless you have a mare that has been shown, has done well, and is registered, and have an equally good stallion in mind, NOT just one with color, then I say, go for the breeding, and I hope that you make a decent sell price later on.

    If NOT, then you really should wait until the economy is much better, if at all. As has been mentioned, you can purchase registered stock at auctions for literal dirt cheap that what you want out of a foal that you've put much more than 50$ into?

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